Did Yoshi P messed up the relics Im trying to understand the meaning of this help me!

[Reynhart]

You are acting like this Nerf happened two weeks after FFXI got released.

No I am acting like those nerfs came...once...the...level...cap...increased.

All similarities to current FFXIV situation is exactly intended

Ok, let's make something clear: Any item you will gather before the final level cap will be worthless or nerfed in the end. So deal with it or stop playing ANY MMO.

[SkizzleofRagnarok]

Or we can actually make the game rewarding instead of this mega nerf? Nerfing was in thisgame before a level cap incase you forgot? We have been level 50 for almost 2 years levelcap and ilvl are two different things imo.

[LunaHoshino]

Your complaint boils down to "I can't wave my epeen around anymore now that more people can get the same thing I have."

[SkizzleofRagnarok]

Not really it boils down to why should you get a handout what gives you some right to get something with half the effort because of an expansion? Again thats why its best of some things could have been unturned and made enjoyable

[Moonleg]

Skizzle.

There is NOTHING enjoyable about spending several months and many millions of gil on ONE piece of GLAMOUR.

The FF11 model worked because people hadn't tried anything better. In today's market, people like to have a chance now and then of catching up to the pros at least in terms of gear; therefore expansions to MMOs tend to reset the gear grind so everyone is on a relatively level playing field.

You will have PLENTY to do in a month when the new relic quests start, so just ... Just accept that this is how this game works and that it isn't FF11. Please. You sound like one of these grumpy old men who can't accept that the world has changed from when they were kids.

[Colorful]

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Well that depends on the person really, used to play with a guy who adored grinds. Why? Who knows. Capped all classes at max level, grinded for mounts, achievements, weapons, you name it, and that's what he enjoyed doing (he eventually got invincible after like a year too and I was incredibly jelly).

But yeah, the majority do not enjoy that.

[Mykll]

Well that depends on the person really, used to play with a guy who adored grinds. Why? Who knows. Capped all classes at max level, grinded for mounts, achievements, weapons, you name it, and that's what he enjoyed doing (he eventually got invincible after like a year too and I was incredibly jelly).

But yeah, the majority do not enjoy that.

<currently farming Atmas for the final 7 relics, 5 zones / stacks of 7 Atmas done!> Yeah and I hate Fates. I dunno....

[Reynhart]

There is NOTHING enjoyable about spending several months and many millions of gil on ONE piece of GLAMOUR.

NEVER look down on masochists !

To each his own kind of pleasure

Just accept that this is how this game works and that it isn't FF11.

Except even FF XI did the same thing..numerous time. But he'll just cover his ears singing La-La-La-La...no...Taru-Taru-Taru-Taru !

[Violyre]

Not really it boils down to why should you get a handout what gives you some right to get something with half the effort because of an expansion? Again thats why its best of some things could have been unturned and made enjoyable

You're right! Increase all of Coil to 60 because I deserved that gear because I got it while it was fresh too! And my gear from Alexander better be upgraded too when the second part is released! As well as make the ilvl requirement for Coil and Alexander always equal to the newest stuff! Why? BECAUSE I WORKED HARD FOR THAT WHEN IT WAS USEFUL!

/sarcasm

Because that's how you sound.

You used FFXI as an example several times. Sure, your weapon was the top of its league. Sure, you could upgrade it more after they upped the level cap. But for the majority of the game? There was no vertical progression, only horizontal. That meant that gear released with new expansions was generally on par with what you got from the last one.

FFXIV, however, offers vertical progression. Are you currently using your relic? No? Why not? You worked SO hard for it.

The point is, relics are no longer a symbol as they once were. There's no point in making people grind through old content. That's why they gave more experience and better gear for quests, because who wants to grind through old stuff? You'll get your new status symbol starting in 3.1. You won't give a damn about your relic then.

[Reynhart]

There was no vertical progression, only horizontal. That meant that gear released with new expansions was generally on par with what you got from the last one.

Wrong, there was vertical too. The problem is that most people outside of Japan started when the level cap was 75, and it stayed that way for years.
The vast majority of lvl 50 gear (The initial cap) was worthless at 60, and the vast majority of lvl 60 gear was worthless at 75.

But I'm sure Skizzle earn everything in FFXI the hard way. No Genkai with help of people above lvl50... A Shadow Lord with a full party capped at level 50...