Punishing divas who jump ship before a dungeon even begins.

[Amberyl]

This attitude is exactly the problem with MMOs and the world in general today.

You could be hit by a bus tomorrow. Do you really want to waste another hour of your life waiting for newcomers to learn the mechanics in Aurum Vale?

Vertical progression is the problem, not the player base's response to it. Forcing long term subscribers to repeat content they hate, purely to keep lower level content viable for new players, is the issue.

[CarnivalNights]

You could be hit by a bus tomorrow. Do you really want to waste another hour of your life waiting for newcomers to learn the mechanics in Aurum Vale?

Vertical progression is the problem, not the player base's response to it. Forcing long term subscribers to repeat content they hate, purely to keep lower level content viable for new players, is the issue.

Complete agreement with this.

It's not part of my curriculum to teach random new players how to play the game. Don't force this on me SE. I'm tired of it.

[Reinha]

It's not part of my curriculum to teach random new players how to play the game. Don't force this on me SE. I'm tired of it.

You are not being forced. Roulettes are voluntary.

I like the idea that if you leave, you lose the roulette bonus for the day. If you get kicked you should get to keep the bonus, but I am in favor of stopping the kick beggers somehow. Maybe make it impossible to kick someone who is offline and make them auto-leave within 3-5 minutes and get a 30 minute penalty. Kick beggers who stay online and afk can be reported and if they do it often, enjoy the ban!

You know what happened in WoW when they added a time penalty to getting kicked? My experience was that kick abuse didn't increase but the number of people begging for kicks and doing ridiculous fake dc's has been completely diminished.

[Sylve]

You could be hit by a bus tomorrow. Do you really want to waste another hour of your life waiting for newcomers to learn the mechanics in Aurum Vale?

Vertical progression is the problem, not the player base's response to it. Forcing long term subscribers to repeat content they hate, purely to keep lower level content viable for new players, is the issue.

Well then, maybe you shouldn't use the feature that will randomly give you something you hate doing.
I enjoy DD, I also enjoy AV. Funnily enough, I like them as both tank and healer.

I always laugh at people who would rather eat a 30 minute lockout than complete a dungeon that takes 30~ minutes to complete at worst. Even with new people.

Complete agreement with this.

It's not part of my curriculum to teach random new players how to play the game. Don't force this on me SE. I'm tired of it.

Willing to bet you're also the sort of person who rages at new people for messing up a mechanic they haven't seen before.

You're playing an MMO. What the hell is wrong with helping new people? Or ANY people for that matter?
Why is it that so many of you simply refuse to give any sort of assistance to other players?

[Amberyl]

I also enjoy AV. Funnily enough, I like them as both tank and healer.

Predisposed bias. So your contribution really doesn't help, does it? How about you chip in when we're discussing something you don't like, and then perhaps you can see both sides of the argument, rather than just being dismissive?

Why is it that so many of you simply refuse to give any sort of assistance to other players?

This is a game, not a job. When you're already spending an hour of each day's play time doing stuff you have to do, to gear up your classes, rather than stuff you want to do, why would you want to run an instance that you know will extend that time by almost double the amount?

Helping people is fine. I'm a tank, it usually falls to me to explain the mechanics in each instance as it is. But I also have a job and a life outside of the game - I don't have the time to waste. I'm rarely the first to quit if I do get an instance like Aurum, so don't usually eat a penalty as it is. But if there is one, I'll go run my hunts instead. It's a much better use of my time.

[Mykll]

You could be hit by a bus tomorrow. Do you really want to waste another hour of your life waiting for newcomers to learn the mechanics in Aurum Vale?

You evidently want to waste another hour of your life sitting in front of a computer (or TV) playing games or reading and posting on forums instead of out and enjoying the world with friends and family. Never know when that bus will get you.

Well then, maybe you shouldn't use the feature that will randomly give you something you hate doing.
I enjoy DD, I also enjoy AV. Funnily enough, I like them as both tank and healer.

I always laugh at people who would rather eat a 30 minute lockout than complete a dungeon that takes 30~ minutes to complete at worst. Even with new people.

I enjoy them as well. Already sold 2 full stacks of Morbol cards from AV. I wish I knew how many hundreds of runs I have gone through there.

The main problem with AV can usually be centered around the tank. Bad pulls and trying to sneak past mobs. Just have to know especially the first room what can be safely pulled how and where depending on your party makeup. Have melee DPS? You really need to pull farther back so they have plenty of room to do their thing without agroing more mobs. About to pull a frog? Ask your healer for Stoneskin or Adloq to negate the tongue pull. Trying to sneak past mobs? It may be clear for you, but with no communication, by the time the laggers behind you see what you are doing and move, that mob may have turned just enough to spot them and cause a train wreck.

Like you said, even doing a full clear, letting all pods spawn for that extra exp, it usually doesn't take 40 minutes. Again, that really largely depends more on the tank and healer than the dps.

Predisposed bias. So your contribution really doesn't help, does it? How about you chip in when we're discussing something you don't like, and then perhaps you can see both sides of the argument, rather than just being dismissive?

Ok. I can't do certain dungeons due to my internet. Do I do any Roulette that has them? No. Not worth my frustration or anyone I am grouped with. I hate FATEs and Hunts. Do I do them to level up, perhaps quicker than dungeon grinding, or getting tomes faster than other Roulettes or dungeon grinding? No. I stay away from them.

So, does my contribution help?

[Amberyl]

Ok. I can't do certain dungeons due to my internet. Do I do any Roulette that has them? No. Not worth my frustration or anyone I am grouped with.

I sympathise - I had to quit EU Aion when I moved back east, despite loving the PvP, purely because of the latency and packet loss back to Germany. But that's not really the point, is it? At some point you would have had to run those instances to clear them, (and find out that you had these problems.) And during that run, you would have presented exactly the kind of issue that drives a lot of people to quit problematic instances, like the Vale.

Essentially, during that clear run, you've forced the other guys to put up with the situation, regardless of the time cost it carries for them. That's not your fault, and not something you've done to be malicious, but that's still how it is. A lot of the people going into instances like Vale for the first time won't be going in again, (just like you,) because they're going to have a horrid experience, and because it's not worth using it for levelling. It's still a pain in the butt for the people stuck with them during their clear run, (who are in a hurry, and have limited time each evening to jump through the hoops Square are forcing them to jump through.)

That's pretty much how the levelling Roulette goes in general, is it not? Props to you for doing the right thing, since, but someone still had to put up with it with you, the first time?

[adn]

I enjoy DD, I also enjoy AV. Funnily enough, I like them as both tank and healer.

With respect to healing AV, you are in the minority. That is all I will say. Tanking AV is whatever, there's nothing particularly difficult for a tank in there. Really good XP for that stretch between 45~50 though. I think it actually gives more XP than Dusk Vigil

[Aomine1992]

Amdapor keep hard mode is another one people just jump ship on as I won't judge cause I avoid that one too cause it never fails everytime I do it the party wipes 3-4 times at the boogeyman, the demon wall part or the last boss ughh -_-

[MeiUshu]

With respect to healing AV, you are in the minority. That is all I will say. Tanking AV is whatever, there's nothing particularly difficult for a tank in there. Really good XP for that stretch between 45~50 though. I think it actually gives more XP than Dusk Vigil

then I must be a minority too beause I like it too..there is nothing hard in there, unless the tank pulls too many mobs more then he can chew...there is nothing hard and gives a hell lot of exp. Why people hate it is something I find it hard to understand.

Anyways, if people leave and eat the penalty, they have my respect, they didnt waste my time they decided to go as an adult should, we can disbanned and requeue or wait for replacement. If you are in a roulette, requeuing for one shouldnt be too long and you probalby wont come back to AV...so really not sure why peopel complain.

Besides, all those that consider themselves Mr or Mrs perfect, you sure you ALWAYS were in that situation where you needed no help AT ALL from anybody ? especially in a new dungeon you have never done ? ...no need to answer I already know it ...

Why people have so little patience...I Wonder.

Mei