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    Ayuhra's Avatar
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    Ayuh'ra Bajhiri
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    Mateus
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Muchmidget View Post
    You said you didn't want us to tell you it's BLM....but it's BLM. Nowhere near the number of rotational abilities that the other jobs have. Lots of cooldowns/debuffs you can weave in, but very few that are required for an optimal rotation.
    Well I should mention I don't ask because I want to have a class instead of BLM, I want one as well as BLM. My BLM has a decentish ilvl (190) and I play it regularly and will keep playing it regularly. But at some point I should level something else, which is my question.

    I've never had an issue with button bloat in any MMO until I played Heavensward so I admit I'm at a loss as to what to do.
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    Snow Ball
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    Gilgamesh
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    Bard Lv 70
    Monk has the least buttons of them all.
    It's the only class in game that I have convenient keybinds used for skills that don't matter.

    The 3 fist stances, take away a lot of must press buttons.
    One Ilm Punch can be shoved into a corner.
    Haymaker can be ignored outside of soloing.
    Few ogcd buffs, coupled with a couple of long-ish cooldown skills that you only have to press now and then
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    Paito Maito
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    Adamantoise
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    Bard Lv 60
    Button bloat is getting pretty serious in this game lol so I know your pain.

    That being said, my bard has all useful abilities on one hotbar and an extended hotbar. It's not really an issue. I hear blm can get all their stuff on a single hotbar, too. Talking ps4 of course, but same deal.
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    Lotharius Lionheart
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    Cactuar
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Well you could always just play a PLD which has like the easiest rotation in the game and has the least amount buttons to press at anytime. Here is an example and this isn't me just so that we have that clear.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eXF...w&spfreload=10

    For DPS since you already have a BLM I would go with BRD for the next one since the job doesn't have to many buttons to use most of the time. Here is a video example and again its not me.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hITS...c&spfreload=10
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    Last edited by Inosaska; 08-11-2015 at 11:23 AM.

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    Alistair Drake
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    Sargatanas
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by myahele View Post
    I'd say MCH.
    MCH is probably the worst of the lot. SMN would probably be ideal for him and the gear from blm would benefit it. If another caster isn't what your looking for then NIN (latency permitting), or MNK.
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    Aria Placida
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    Lamia
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    Ninja Lv 88
    Quote Originally Posted by FreeLancer4 View Post
    MCH is probably the worst of the lot. SMN would probably be ideal for him and the gear from blm would benefit it. If another caster isn't what your looking for then NIN (latency permitting), or MNK.
    SMN gets disqualified as soon as you realize you're expected to manage your pets.
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    Lotharius Lionheart
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by FreeLancer4 View Post
    MCH is probably the worst of the lot. SMN would probably be ideal for him and the gear from blm would benefit it. If another caster isn't what your looking for then NIN (latency permitting), or MNK.
    SMN has a pretty complex opener that if screwed up puts you behind in DPS unless he does it the other way where he uses all the buffs at the same time but if optimal DPS he would have to be weaving them in and out constantly with ogcd abilities and using ruin 2. Also you gotta time your aetherial stacks properly otherwise you miss out on dreadwyrm trance. SMN is not an easy job. Easy to play but hard to master.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-ph...k&spfreload=10
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridiana View Post
    SMN gets disqualified as soon as you realize you're expected to manage your pets.
    If you played SMN, you'd soon realize there isn't much managing to do considering they've made many abilities either get reduced dmg to egis, or just not affect them at all. Oft times you honestly do not have to worry about it, esp with garuda. Contagion and radiant shield are the only two abilities one will often use, as the rest are either a dps loss or plain not worth using and it aint hard to use them once per minute. One can even ignore the AoE ability and it would go largely unnoticed as its low potency, small radius, and a 30s cd.

    Quote Originally Posted by Inosaska View Post
    SMN has a pretty complex opener that if screwed up puts you behind in DPS unless he does it the other way where he uses all the buffs at the same time but if optimal DPS he would have to be weaving them in and out constantly with ogcd abilities and using ruin 2. Also you gotta time your aetherial stacks properly otherwise you miss out on dreadwyrm trance. SMN is not an easy job. Easy to play but hard to master.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-ph...k&spfreload=10
    I don't believe the OP has an issue with it being hard to master.
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    Last edited by FreeLancer4; 08-11-2015 at 12:09 PM.

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    Ayuh'ra Bajhiri
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    Correct, hard to master doesn't bother me. Like I said, the rotation can have complexity as long as it feels okay physically. I'm not looking for easy I'm looking for something that's not overcluttered and needlessly convoluted.
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    Aria Placida
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    Lamia
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    Ninja Lv 88
    Quote Originally Posted by FreeLancer4 View Post
    If you played SMN, you'd soon realize there isn't much managing to do considering they've made many abilities either get reduced dmg to egis, or just not affect them at all. Oft times you honestly do not have to worry about it, esp with garuda. Contagion and radiant shield are the only two abilities one will often use, as the rest are either a dps loss or plain not worth using and it aint hard to use them once per minute. One can even ignore the AoE ability and it would go largely unnoticed as its low potency, small radius, and a 30s cd.
    "Ignore the aoe" is a poor argument, since it means you're ignoring things that are a direct DPS boost. If you're going to ignore it just because it's low potency and a 30 second CD, you'd have to ignore, say, Blunt Arrow on BRD. Same with Contagion. If we're not gonna count it as part of the rotation just because it's a 60 second CD, there go most of the CDs in the game. At that point you're ignoring Invigorate, B4B, IR, DWD, Duality, Mug, and TA on NIN, for example.

    A better argument would be something like this: We're only really talking about rotational abilities, so Summon, Place/Heel, and Obey/Sic don't count, because you can pretty much fire-and-forget those before the battle. Sustain is rarely if ever used, Physic never used, and Rez used only if something has gone wrong and it's the SMN's turn to rez. Also, Tri-Bind is nearly useless.

    That argument at least reduces the number of keybinds without sacrificing DPS.
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