Why refusing customization is a fallacy

[Delily]

Why do you feel that adding more to this game would be a bad thing?

Because it adds unnecessary complexity for both players and the developers?

[Aeyis]

That's a fine desire, it's just not going to happen in this game. What are hoping to achieve with this post? You will not convince the design team to redesign the game to support specializations, so, as far as I can tell, this is just peeing into the wind. Just because you have an opinion does not mean you should share it when sharing it will have no realistic outcome.

Someone once said he had a dream. Not a very realistic one, but he shared it anyway.
Do you believe he shouldnt have shared it?

Because it adds unnecessary complexity for both players and the developers?

I'm saddened when I consider this is the opinion of many these days.

[Delily]

Someone once said he had a dream. Not a very realistic one, but he shared it anyway.
Do you believe he shouldnt have shared it?

I'm actually speechless at the magnitude of this false analogy.

[Dererk]

What does open world content have to do with specializations? People seem to think adding more open world content will fix some of the issues with the endgame. Given that OPW is just as static as instanced content, I'm not sure people are thinking this through.

was thinking more stuff like dyamanes from ffxi not open world yes its instanced but it wasn't a 90 min duty that was a short trash run then boss.

[Aeyis]

I'm actually speechless at the magnitude of this false analogy.

Its not a false one..in essence you are saying exactly this. I wish people would read their own posts better. Mirrors are in short supply, I guess.


You are literally telling people that if they have something they would like to see happen, that they should just leave and not express their opinion or desire at all.

Something being unrealistic is no reason.
Do you know how much of science was unrealistic before it was made practice? All of it.
Do you know how many of big changes are unrealistic before they happen? All of it.
If it isnt a big change then it wouldnt be unrealistic, would it?

[Delily]

I'm saddened when I consider this is the opinion of many these days.

To counter, KISS.

By, ignoring the hyperbole, the complexity for a group based game is found in the group content, and not in the individuals. Specialization are more suited to games like Diablo 3, Skyrim, and Minecraft; single to smaller groups.

[Delily]

Its not a false one..in essence you are saying exactly this. I wish people would read their own posts better. Mirrors are in short supply, I guess.


You are literally telling people that if they have something they would like to see happen, that they should just leave and not express their opinion or desire at all.

Something being unrealistic is no reason.
Do you know how much of science was unrealistic before it was made practice? All of it.
Do you know how many of big changes are unrealistic before they happen? All of it.
If it isnt a big change then it wouldnt be unrealistic, would it?

If you are not able to understand the difference between expressing a dissenting opinion in the arena of social justice and science vs. expressing a dissenting opinion in a video game forums, there's no point in even attempting explain it. Amazingly enough, there is a time and place when NOT expressing your opinion is appropriate.

[Aeyis]

I don't want to deal with skill trees. There is my reason for being against it.

Well. That is a fair reason to be against it. Only actual reason I've seen in this thread, in fact.

But that does bring us to the heart of the matter. The game (rather, MMOs in general) being dumbed down because people dont want to 'deal with things'.


The fantasy and sci-fi genres were originally for people that wanted to explore possibilities. RPGs were ideal for these genres. Stats or abilities were a reflection of character customization. Altho some RPGs did very well without adding stats, I do believe with the limits to possibility developers can reasonably put into a single game(due to resource/money limitations + hardware limitations), that stats did offer additional depth; at affordable resources spend for developers.

Can this truly be considered a Final Fantasy game if people do not wish to deal with possibilities? Isnt [Possibility] the very core of fantasy, and final fantasy?


Final Fantasy allowed us to watch us a grand story in each of its incarnations. But it was a story with little room for exploring who our characters were. Cecil was Cecil. Tidus was Tidus. So they added new skill systems each game, and allowed us to play with different stats. I used my Yuna as a Grey Mage, rather then the healer she [canon] was.

There were best builds. But how many actually used those? How many used 'better' characters rather then the ones they enjoyed playing? How many people used Tifa/Cloud/Aeris for the entirety of the game that allowed them, despite other characters being strong as well?
All of the characters could be played and cleared the game with, and quite well. Characters could often be played in various ways as well. Because customization allowed this.

FFIV Cain Phoenix Res tactic? Would not have been possibility if not for customization. Yuna Black Mage? Likewise.


Now people play FF games mostly for the story. But they are still RPGs, how many people that look to play RPGs or FF games will not enjoy the stats or skill develop systems? How many people look to play a FF game that lacks 'complexity'?

[Delily]

Well. That is a fair reason to be against it. Only actual reason I've seen in this thread, in fact.

But that does bring us to the heart of the matter. The game (rather, MMOs in general) being dumbed down because people dont want to 'deal with things'.

How many savage clears do you have?

[MageBlack]

We dont even have an elemental wheel and you want a complex customization system? You got some high hopes, prepare to be disappointed. The way people are talking about this it sounds like all SE has to do is flip a switch and we would have this new wonderful system ready to go but the devs are sitting on their thumbs and refusing to flip it. If you need a complete redo so the game can be something you want it to be, then maybe this isnt the game for you.

But whatever, if people want to continue to get worked up over theorycrafting, enjoy.