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    When people say you won't be taken because you are not the optimal spec is completely wrong. I have played numerous games where they have 3 tress sometimes I pick the worse one but that didn't stop me from doing content. SWTOR right now marauder/sentinel isn't doing so well as a dps and classed as the lowest currently because you can't do hybrid anymore I still picked it and I get all the content done in the game. ESO I was spec badly but I still got content done pretty easily. If you are not raiding why would it matter what spec you are? Also if you get kicked based on what spec you are in this game then you just need to look at the community and it just shows how bad it is. In SWTOR I enter a dungeon via group finder I don't get kicked for being a marauder we just go on continuing the dungeon. As OP said if you are not raiding it won't matter, when you DF it wont matter you will just continue the dungeon.

    So many classes play the same in this game DRG is almost like MNK with Greased Lightning, MCH is just BRD Gauss Barrel/Wander's Minuet, Tanks are the same but 2 of them do bit more dps than the other, healers are all the same. The only job in this game which I will say is different is NIN. Honestly if they won't make trees at least make more interesting traits because the current ones are just lackluster and most are just copy and pasted over onto other classes. It's a cheap way of doing balancing because they just make everyone the same and too be honest its boring. This is the only big game to my knowledge which has no customization which sucks in my opinion. When i see people relate it to people not being taken its always FFXI any other game I have rarely seen this happen except in raid environment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Remus View Post
    As OP said if you are not raiding it won't matter, when you DF it wont matter you will just continue the dungeon.
    Let me repost this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilthas View Post
    Having unbalanced jobs is bad for everyone. It's bad for the player that likes the job because he gets shunned from most parties, and it's bad for those who don't play the job, because they get stuck with an underperforming job in duties.
    The argument that all jobs play the same is also pretty much a fallacy. Even if you're of the opinion that the current jobs in each role play the same (I disagree) adding specs won't change that, it'll just add more jobs that play the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilthas View Post
    Let me repost this:
    You can repost it all you want, it's still a lie.
    Since "underperforming" is "compared to something else", you could frequently say that one job is "underperforming".

    Back in 2.4, MNK and NIN were better single-target DPS than DRG, so, in a way, every DRG was "underperforming". SMN and BRD were lesser ranged DPS than BLM, so they were still "underperforming".
    Back in 2.0, WAR was a lot more weaker than PLD. So, he was "underperforming"...but to the point where clearing content was significantly harder as a WAR. That was a balance problem.

    Now, DRG is a better single target DPS than MNK or NIN, etc...

    People will still play the job they like, because it's fun, no matter how they perform, as long as they can clear the content. You obviously exagerate my idea by supposing one spec performing waaaay better than the other.
    Quote Originally Posted by Miscreant View Post
    Sorry but your wording was bad, I read it wrong. You are aware that there already is a certain degree of customisation in place, e.g. a Scholar who focuses on healing will want to prioritise Crit, a Scholar who focuses on DPS prioritises Det and Accuracy
    Actually, yes, there is a certain degree of customisation...and it's pretty much only tied to Arcanist. If SCH can focus much on DPS, it's because its class is a DPS one so it has a fair DPS potential.
    I really think job branching is an interesting concept, and adding that to other classes would be a first step on customization.
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    Last edited by Reynhart; 08-10-2015 at 11:50 PM.

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    It's not a fallacy because every time a game has customizations, the vast majority of players go with the optimal build. There are years of data that proves this. The other not to do this is that adds the yak shaving of spec balancing. The devs spend time right now balancing skills between jobs, and now you want them to do the same between specs.
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