Why refusing customization is a fallacy

[Hyrist]

Reynhart, it's not going to happen. Put down the pitchfork and torch. You can argue this until you're blue in the face if you'd like.

But it won't change. This was a backbone decision of the class. Closest we'll get is something similar to how Arcanist works, and Yoshida already expressed dissatisfaction with it.

Put your hand over your ears, deny the reasoning all you want (and by the way, denying is not debunking, let's be clear. You've proven nothing) But this system is here to stay.

[MageBlack]

Yay! yet another DOOOOOOM and GLOOOM! thread. "The game is going to tank faster than the titanic unless you make the game the way I think it should be made!!!?!~"

Where did that thread go with the collection of how many times people said the game will fail? Need to necro that one...

PS: It's been 2 years since the relaunch and it seems to be doing fine so far. I think what the game needs is a few more expansions for seasoning. Just with heavensward alone and only 5 extra skills, It has given me (as a WAR) the option to effectively DPS as an off tank. I dare say I can out DPS a MCH if I put my mind to it. So now I can tank and DPS as a WAR. Patience Young Padewan, Patience....

[stoxastic]

There's already customization in this game. God Damn Fkin "Ice Mages" BLMs...

[randysquirrel]

Don't really understand OP, nothing is stopping you from doing this? If you want to form a party of frost mages or whatever and go in to AS1, set up a pf and off you go

Except most people will realize you will make very little progress this way, and not join your pf. it has nothing to do with being a "hardcore raider". But if you wanted to do that, there is nothing stopping you.

You mention waiting a few months, until there is echo or everyone is way overgeared, well at that point I don't think anyone will be excluding someone based on class, that is only a consideration at the moment, because the raids have extremely tight dps checks.

Might just be me misunderstanding, but you're complaining that too many people are calling for optimization, and saying in a few months who will care... well the answer is no-one will?

[Airget]

Eh, your topic is wrong, there is no fallacy in refusing customization, the fallacy is in not understanding the complexity of creating content for PVE based on all the variables you offer to PVE without alienating certain job setups from the game.

So ya, Frost Mage, Fire Mage, Thunder Mage "specialization" for Black mage, then what Alexander might make it impossible for Thunder mage to work because of certain concepts so those mages get shun from content or they are forced to change their "customization" into something else. Would you honestly call that system customization when a player is forced to change their skill setup because of the metagame and alienation being thrown at them?

That's why customization isn't as good as people might think it is, they think oh options, oh the illusion of choice sign me up. But at the end of the day the "choices" you make are pretty much set in stone based on what the community says is acceptable and if you choose otherwise then be prepared to be left out of a lot of content.

[LunaHoshino]

For me, balance is fun. I come from Ragnarok Online, which had a huge degree of customization, but in the end it came down to exactly what other people who have played other MMOs with extensive customization have been saying: certain builds are deemed to be the best and then people either follow those builds or get given grief for not doing so.

Which is fine if you're only interested in doing solo content, but not much fun at all if you want to play in groups. The customization process itself wasn't fun, either: I spent literally hours on end grinding mobs to get the right cards to put on my gear so that I would have good stats and abilities.

There's no reason to add skill trees or different specs to a game that already allows you to play all of the classes on one character. If you want variety, you can simply pick up a different class-- you're not stuck with one thing. There's even a certain amount of customization you can already do with the classes themselves (VIT vs. STR on tanks, the examples other people have given for healers, etc.). Adding more stats/specs would be unnecessarily complicated and would bring no real benefit in exchange.

[Hix]

Apparently OP has never heard of queue dodging or vote kicking. Which will absolutely happen when people start taking suboptimal specs into the Duty Finder and start producing suboptimal results. You might want to frame things as "people don't care about fun" but I would answer that few find it fun if they perceive they are carrying people who aren't even trying. And many people will see someone in a suboptimal spec performing suboptimally to not be trying, especially once the best specs are identified and widely followed.

As someone else in this thread said, I would rather devs spend their time class balancing new jobs than specs in the same job.

[StouterTaru]

Apparently OP has never heard of queue dodging or vote kicking.

Queue dodging (I assume you mean withdraw when the prompt comes up) wouldn't make sense because you can't see the party makeup at that time.

Vote Kick takes 5 minutes into an instance before it can actually be used. I don't see a DF group sitting there for 5 minutes just to kick and replace a member because of their job.

[Hix]

Queue dodging (I assume you mean withdraw when the prompt comes up) wouldn't make sense because you can't see the party makeup at that time.

Vote Kick takes 5 minutes into an instance before it can actually be used. I don't see a DF group sitting there for 5 minutes just to kick and replace a member because of their job.

Well you know how you queue for a roulette and you get Steps of Faith or Bismark and people start jumping ship immediately. Same reaction when they see Blizzard Mage.