FFXIV 2nd expansion: Viera-like race still a possibility?

[Nestama]

The reason there aren't any beastly races is because the development time and ps3 limitations for the armor designs.

Which also applies to Viera. The only 'new' thing they would bring into this game is rabbit ears (feet and hands will be changed to human hands. This means they will be more generic than a Miqo'te) and they will look terrible with head gear (either clipping through it or ear socks, which will look ridiculous).

So instead, how about Dwarfs? That would be a better option, in my opinion.

[DeadRiser]

Which also applies to Viera. The only 'new' thing they would bring into this game is rabbit ears (feet and hands will be changed to human hands. This means they will be more generic than a Miqo'te) and they will look terrible with head gear (either clipping through it or ear socks, which will look ridiculous).

So instead, how about Dwarfs? That would be a better option, in my opinion.

Dwarves? A race that nobody will pick except people who will play the males? No, that's not how you run a business.

And honestly, the clipping will not be nearly as bad as the Au Ra and their horns. One of the big reason I don't play one anymore. It not only clips with head gear, but with hair and body armor.

[Nestama]

Dwarves? A race that nobody will pick except people who will play the males? No, that's not how you run a business.

So why make female Roegadyn?

[Khaoticsuccubus]

So why make female Roegadyn?

Answer, most don't as female roegadyn is probably the least played race/gender combo in game currently.

[Khaoticsuccubus]

You mean the poll about beastman / demibeastman / mammalian / reptilian? First of all the poll lacked options outside of those like avian or aquatic. Secondly, mammalian demibeastman doesn't mean Viera. People who want werewolves that can transform, a more human looking Ronso, fox people, satyrs or any beastman with some human features also have to vote for that option. Which means you can't say Viera won the poll if Viera was never an option in it.

Eh, the poll literally listed viera as an example. Which is why YoshiP was able to dismiss the poll results as he believed tacking viera on like that skewed the poll results in mammal demibeastmans favor. Thus Au'ra were born ;P (reptilian demibeastman were 2nd place iirc... that or hybrids, can't recall lol)

I agree about WoW's copy paste faces but you are forgetting that applies to every WoW race, not just the beastmen.

Technically, this is only true as of wow's recent upgrade from n64 to gamecube graphics ;P Ironically enough, before the upgrade most races had unique faces to choose from... ya know... for wow standards that is lol.

GW2 had a pretty good character creator for all races. Charr, Sylvari and Asura all look distinct from humans and their popularity is about half of that of humans. None are as rare as Roegadyn. It's hard to estimate what amount of players would migrate to a more distinct beastman race in this game, because we actually don't have one yet. Some lump beastmen into the same category as Roegadyn (big and not cute) and claim that it would be equally rare. And yet our demibeastmen are among the most popular races of the game, and there's no doubt some players play them for the exotic features and not just the pretty faces. Who says some Miqo'te and Au Ra players wouldn't be interested in some more beastly looking options (instead of a change of ears)? They don't exactly have a choice at the moment.

There are more things to consider when it comes to the addition of new races. Variety and new players. Would I have tried GW2 if they only had humans and big humans? It's a 100% no from me. I picked the plant and cat race for my character and the alternative would have been no characters at all. I can play human IRL. There are very likely people who never even try this game because there are no interesting races for them to try like Charr, Sylvari, Tauren, Worgen or Troll. In game they would be surrounded by cat girls, lizard girls and plain girls. This is not appealing to some people, but we never really hear from that side because they never entered the game. Rabbit girls would hardly make this game appealing to any new audience. A lot of people think it was a good idea to include female Roegadyn and male Miqo'te to ARR even though the former has always been among the least played combos in the game. It may not be the most popular but it adds variety and attracts new audiences. I probably wouldn't have started the game if it wasn't for femroe because no other race "clicked" for me. Right now my game+expansion purchases and sub fees would have paid for almost 50 fantasia potions. That's how valuable new players are compared to fantasia purchases. Food for thought. :P

Unfortunately, these players are purely hypothetical at this time. Until they emerge from the shadows to let others hear their voice and have their presence know in polls and the like we have to go with the data we have. That data states, especially in this game, that beastman type races just aren't appreciated. As you said they might make up a number of the Au'ra and Miqo races however, I just can't see that number being anything significant. More likely, most who enjoy that sorta look have stuck to roes as you have. Roes who are the least played race in the game.

And I say this as one who does prefer the more exotic appeal of a race... within reason ofc. Roe's make my eyes bleed 90% of the time after all ;P but, I did prefer the concept art of the more demonic looking Au'ra than what we ended up with. But, from a company perspective I understand why and at the very least they, as a race, helped diversify things by converting a number of the miqo population lol.

[FoxyAreku]

Coming from a cat boy, even MORE generic than a "bunny girl".

Knew there would be some smart-aleck to bring up that I'm a miqote, which, is actually the most unique race in this game sans Au Ra, WHICH IS MY WHOLE POINT BY THE WAY. When cat boys are the most unique thing you have THAT IS A PROBLEM. You should be encouraging them to make races that are unique, not another generic race to add on to how generic everything is in this game.

Also their lore is irrelevant, as races are about the aesthetic here. Race lore would matter in a game like WoW, but here where all player characters are the same, 'some outsider that wandered into gridania/limsa/uldah one day and became the warrior of light', it really doesn't matter.

Not to mention, the lore would be completely different here since Ivalice doesn't exist on Eorzea. And they'd probably be woefully underdeveloped (just look at Au Ra, where 90% of their lore is in the white mage Heavensward story).

I just cannot fathom why anyone would want another human race with 1 distinguishing factor. Bunny ears don't even look good, they look stupid on humans. IMO anyway.

Dwarves? A race that nobody will pick except people who will play the males? No, that's not how you run a business.

And honestly, the clipping will not be nearly as bad as the Au Ra and their horns. One of the big reason I don't play one anymore. It not only clips with head gear, but with hair and body armor.

Dwarves are actually pretty popular according to statistics on WoW.

Though, I don't think they would look very good in this game's graphics, they suit WoW's more cartoony style better. (But they'd still look better and be more unique than Viera lol.)

Same reason I can't understand why close minded posts like this (not just you) are made. ;P

Obviously race changing and slapping bunny ears on wouldn't cut it. There's no way anyone who says that can possibly seriously think as such. Ya just don't like the idea of it so ya don't want it put in instead of (insert random player desire).

The fact that threads like these go on so long should show just how much the playerbase wants this to happen. Whether or not it will, well, can't say I'm holding out any hope.

That aside we already got our "unique" race in the form of Au'ra. Not to mention even IF the new race turns out to be more akin the naysayers accuse it of being, it STILL would provide new things other races don't have. Character creation options the likes of new faces, a different bone structure, new animations, and hairstyles (au'ra got a bunch of unique hairstyles). Details the likes that some might love to have that the current races don't offer. Without going too far from standard humanoid we currently have.

Personally, I'm hoping to see Viera with a facial structure similar to 12's at the very least. Feet too but, that's pushing it and not likely lol.

This is something the cries for a furrier, more beastly race (the alternative) just can't offer. None. and I mean NONE. of the modern generation of mmo's have ever offered a beast race with character customization that wasn't just a mild palette swap.

And, to be quite frank, SE just will not expand on char creation of current races. Maybe I'm pessimistic but, ya I just don't see them ever doing so. According to them it just takes to much memory to do so.

Hmm, may have gotten lost somewhere in all that. Apologies for the rambling ;P

My post wasn't close minded at all, I even said I'm happy for you if you like them, I just care about this game, and having them release another human with a different coat of paint would be pretty upsetting and might even push me to quitting. It's stupid.

And did you really just say that we 'got our unique race with au ra'? What, are we on a uniqueness quota? Lol.

Also to expand on your comments about a beastly race, I think someone else said it, but World of Warcraft has 4 different faces for Tauren, and how many faces do most races in this game have? That's right, 4. It would not be hard. Not that I'm saying a beastly race is the right choice either, but pretty much anything is better than another human with 1 odd appendage.

[Tanama]

If the Dev-Team does not give us the Viera race, how would you all feel if they instead give us a demi-human beast race based off of Terra's Trance form?

[Laerune]

If the Dev-Team does not give us the Viera race, how would you all feel if they instead give us a demi-human beast race based off of Terra's Trance form?

They would have to change the hands and feets, which will turn the trance form into a human with weird glow and long hair.

[Celef]

I miss some games like Eq2 of Istaria in which you could find very "strange" races, like dragons, fairy or satyre, here it's just cuteness and lazyness :/

[Khaoticsuccubus]

Also their lore is irrelevant, as races are about the aesthetic here. Race lore would matter in a game like WoW, but here where all player characters are the same, 'some outsider that wandered into gridania/limsa/uldah one day and became the warrior of light', it really doesn't matter.

Lore is irrelevant in a heavily story driven game? Lol, I can see it now. WoL Amal'jaa on their way to Ul'dah. "Oh hey there corrupt guard fellas. Now I know my race and yours have had our... differences but, I'm not like those guys about to jump us... honest" I'm sure they'll believe ya 100% ^.^ Not saying they couldn't do it... but, doing so would break the story. They kinda wrote themselves into a corner with how they presented the story in regards to what kind of races they can introduce.

Not to mention, the lore would be completely different here since Ivalice doesn't exist on Eorzea. And they'd probably be woefully underdeveloped (just look at Au Ra, where 90% of their lore is in the white mage Heavensward story).

Unfortunately, true and highly likely. Seems like they tried to use the new class quests to help round out Au'ra lore within 14 universe but, largely it comes across as forced, shoehorned, and kinda confusing.

Dwarves are actually pretty popular according to statistics on WoW.

Eh, wha, who, where o.O? Dwarves are among the least played races in wow. They always have been and always will be. What statistics are you looking at to think otherwise?

And did you really just say that we 'got our unique race with au ra'? What, are we on a uniqueness quota? Lol.

Yes, yes we are. It was another one of the reasons we got Au'ra instead of Viera. They wanted something more unique to 14 this time around. Along with the whole Viera are just hyur with bunny ears and high heels schtik. Well, now we have it so get back to the more superior race SE

Also to expand on your comments about a beastly race, I think someone else said it, but World of Warcraft has 4 different faces for Tauren, and how many faces do most races in this game have? That's right, 4. It would not be hard. Not that I'm saying a beastly race is the right choice either, but pretty much anything is better than another human with 1 odd appendage.

Yeah, ironically enough out of all the beast races wow made, the original one was the only one with some diversity in its looks. Which is soooo bad when you consider Tauren had the least amount of char creation options in game. and I don't know if I would compare wow faces to ff14 faces. I mean even though we have low face options we still get to customize the features within those faces; eyes, nose, mouth, etc. Could they create a beastly race with diversity features? Probably, though looking at how au'ra turned out... I wouldn't hold my breath.

If the Dev-Team does not give us the Viera race, how would you all feel if they instead give us a demi-human beast race based off of Terra's Trance form?

I'd be down for that. <3 Terra esper form.

and a pox on ff6's ending.