Vote-kicked for explaining 1st-timer tactics and having impatients get what's coming

[Fahad]

I usually dps and I admit that I sometimes while running a dungeon and I KNOW we are all geared and we all know the dungeon, I would go and pull mobs from ahead areas and add to the pile if 2-3 mobs left from the previous pull. sometimes everyone appreciate it and take it professionally, tank cast hate, healer heal, and next area etc...sometimes Tank will get angry even if it didn't cause anything negative, and reaction differ from saying: "hey stop doing that" to leaving me to die or sometime healer will leave me to die, in this case I just blame myself for doing something that is not my role. Like i think "huh guess they are not kewl" and just stick to my job for the rest of the fight. guess it all comes down to different players with different styles, and it's our job to respect them.
If I was a tank and a dps was doing same thing I was doing, personally if it gives me no harm ill just play along, unless it was really effecting me negatively (dmg, losing hate ...etc) then ill tell them not to.
but in case of a new player is here and need explaining, I say THAT player have the right to enjoy every bit of the dungeon from explaining tactics to viewing cutscenes, he/she paid for the game same as all of us, they deserve to get the full experience out of it.

[NutZach]

Yeah probably the best way. No dungeon really needs more than one sentence for mechanics. If you take longer than 30 seconds to pull, I have no problem doing it.

[Darthzilla]

This is going to be unpopular but...The point is that one or two players shouldn't advance until the entire group is ready to go. Sometimes you need to wait a sec for the healer or the tank to 'fully charge' again or whatever before leaping into the next fight. It only takes a few seconds and a good group of good players will make sure everyone's ready before going on. It only takes a few seconds.

[Canadane]

Most bosses in a dungeon can be explained within the time it takes to auto run into them.
It's almost always a "do x when the boss does y" mechanic. If not, it's often similar.

Even without any explanations, most things are very obvious. Get out of colours. Touch things when they appear.

[Makeda]

The tank does not set the flow.
The party sets the flow.
If the healer is pulling another mob, it means he knows he can keep you alive.
If that happens then you, the tank, shouldn't have this mentality of, "if you want to tank it then go ahead."

The healer may think he can keep you alive. But that healer isn't looking at your cooldown bar and at the setup you're looking at.

Every tank has a different style to how they position and handle pulls - and when somebody else does the pull, it can seriously gimp that.

That tank DOES set the flow. Don't like it? Play Guild Wars 1 or 2. No tanks in those games.

When I want to run in 5 different directions chasing down mobs because "random" has done the pull and gone all over the place with it... I log into my Guild Wars 2 account...

The entire purpose of having a tank in a game's design is to put that flow control into the hands of a single person, for a coordinated effort, a tactical battle rather than a chaotic gang-fight.

When other people pull...

Well I have /sit on my action bar for a reason. GO ahead and votekick me. My queue is instant.

The only exceptions to this are in MMO games with content largescale/complex enough to require a raid leader. And then... the raidleader sets who does the pull and how. STILL NOT the party.

[Mikhaill]

Sorry bud, but you're mistaken. The tank does not set the flow. Regardless of what you might think, there are 4 ppl in the dungeon. Not just you. The party sets the flow. If 3 ppl want to you to pull another set of mobs, then do it. If the healer is pulling another mob, it means he knows he can keep you alive. If that happens then you, the tank, shouldn't have this mentality of, "if you want to tank it then go ahead." I'm tired of the "me, me, me" mindset. You're playing an mmo with other ppl. The party sets the flow. If you want to set your own pace, please go player a single player game

I hope I never party with you as a tank, ever. I do not need your help to pull mobs.
I'm a tank, that's my job. Tanks set the pace, sorry, don't like? You tank.
My first 51 dungeon run was horrible because 2 DPS's forced me go out my zone and tried to pull more when I was literally stressed out from hell on it.
I left because that's pure BS. I do ask at times now since 51+ mobs hit harder, if the healer needs smaller or bigger pulls though.
Or sometimes I go on ahead, try a good pull and if they struggle, the next mobs I'll pull smaller ones.

[OJ191]

I've been in your shoes before.

But here's what you gotta do:

Don't explain anything to new players. Buff and pull.

If you survive, the new guy will have experienced the whole thing and will hopefully absorb enough to survive future encounters (like a real video game).
f you wipe, the new players now have a point of reference to boss mechanics and you can explain "Do X when you see Y." The butthurts will also probably leave the dungeon at this point, which they were going to do anyway.

There is little to gain by explaining boss mechanics to someone who has never seen this marker or that gimmick before. It's also very likely the rest of the party is so overgeared for the dungeon, surviving with only 3 party members is cake.

Surviving with only 3 members may be cake, but it can be really annoying to the dead new guy esp for trials.

Going through titan NM for the first time ever, had the icon and said as much, nobody warned me about landslide (it's a REALLY bloody quick cast for anyone with ping to deal with especially considering it's not even instadeath but instant KO), I got landslided off the arena within like a minute or two of the fight starting... and they proceeded to beat the entire fight with me unable to even see what was happening let alone participate.

Real fun.

[Makeda]

I don't agree with any of this. Tanks should always pull first and people shouldn't try to "help" by pulling things. Depending on the tank, they may not get hate off you right away. People who do this take unnecessary damage or possibly die and that's just adding more to the healer's plate, followed by drama because "the healer wasn't doing their job in healing" or how the tank "can't tank properly." I have endured many speed runs that botched horribly because of this, adding more time to something that was supposed to be "fast".

You want to know why people adapt to the "you pull it, you tank it" mindset? Because anyone who keeps pulling before the tank is impatient and these are likely the same people who run off before the healer can use Protect on everyone.

Word...

Lately to keep from outleveling where I am in the story (my tank just finished 2.0-ARR), I'm doing my daily dungeons / guildhests in my gladiator - dramatically lower level and I notice I have a lot of trouble getting threat. Its new to me, I haven't quite figured out things between use of Flash and tabbing through the right mobs.

If somebody is off mark, the whole thing can go to a mess when mobs start piling onto the healer.

In a lower level dungeon... your tank might, like you, be on a level 60 and have randomly popped in there. Or they might be on a new class they're leveling or even a new player... so while the place might not 'hit that hard' it can still really mess up if you mess with the tank's ability to get a handle on control.

In a higher level dungeon... screwups are quickly fatal... so while the tank might have all the tools and player skill, the margin for error is thinner, and if you mess things up at a time when the tank is paying attention to 'important stuff' rather than to you... wipe.

On days when I get into my 'save them' mode when people are pulling instead of letting me pull... it is usually the other DPS that scold me to please that person faceplant and stop saving them...
- Because any skilled player knows a run goes best when it works like a smoothly oiled machine.

[Nicobo]

...So after the second boss I say "Hey, if you guys don't want me to tank, just say so :P" and we move on. Then on the last boss, they pull the same thing, I just keep standing outside and the 1st timer as well, let them tank if they want so badly I'm thinking. In the meantime I'm explaining the few things to the 1st-timer and then BOOM, I'm kicked from party...

IMO the kick was the response for "Hey, if you guys don't want me to tank, just say so :P"
Btw, how the new players communicated with you after this content?

[Makeda]

I'm not endorsing kicking people for trying to help or for not feeling comfortable tanking larger pulls, but if I had ever made this argument that you just made up for me then yeah I'd be wrong... I'm just saying being a tank doesn't automatically make you right, or give you the ability to ignore the rest of your group.

When I'm not on my tank, even if I think the tank I have is a total idiot, I let them tank; which means I let them do the pulls.

Now if you search me on these forums you WILL find a recent post where I said I have pulled some side mobs and kited them back to the group when there as a DPS... that's because I hate speed-runners, and sometimes that overcomes my instinct about deferring to the tank.

That post was probably not my best comment on these forums...

it was borne out of frustration with my new DPS alt getting stuck in a lot of lowbie speed runs recently where the tanks would skip all the side rooms that have the gear I was hoping for...

So... the tank sets the pace. But they shouldn't be using that to gimp other people out of content.