Vote-kicked for explaining 1st-timer tactics and having impatients get what's coming

[Valenth]

I'm going to add in here, the title is very misleading also, while the tank was annoying with how slow he moved through the dungeon and the time needed to type a sentence, he wasn't kicked for typing instructions, if that was the case he would have been removed after the first boss or even the second boss when he typed them but that wasn't even brought up at those points

Instead, the vote only came up after the tank purposefully stood outside the final boss room in an attempt to cause the scholar to die for initiating the fight, had he moved into the room and even just hit the boss in sword oath to do damage (the scholar was capable of tanking as he was overgeared) there would have been no vote to kick, and he would have completed the dungeon

Yes, I purposely kept standing just outside the purple aura of the boss-fight after seeing the SCH rush in and pull while I was still explaining. Perhaps that's griefing, but it's a grief upon being griefed into rushing things which apparently was caused by frustration you guys never deemed to inform me off.

You've brought points up to raise sympathy for your cause, and so have I. You found things to go slow, I said you could have told me anything at all. It's hard to smell these things lacking bodylanguage/-odor on such a thing as the internet. Anyway, the bottom line after crossing these sympathies away against each other is that the vote-kick feature was abused. You admitted in your post you used the feature and you admitted your SCH friend initiated it. After everything said and done, you and your SCH friend were in the wrong there, against written in-game rules which are even emphasized with a pop-up before using the feature.

Now, let this be the last that has been said between you and me and let's all learn from this. Let it be a nice example for everyone why we need to start communicating a bit more.

Ps. yes, I guess the title does show a fair amount of emotion in it, forgive me for that but I'm only human too. I kinda hate it when I feel mistreated for actually showing unexperienced players kindness.

[RemenantStrife]

For you it seems to have felt significantly slow, for the other DPS not, end of story. The only real answer can come from SE if they tell us with what time-frame they designed the place with, and I'm pretty darn sure I, nay, WE, were faster than that. :P

How would the other DPS know what speed it should be run at on his first time of course it didn't feel slow to him, the encounter time that SE designed the dungeon for is irrelevant when its out geared and out levelled (iLvl sync isn't an accurate sync), im sure they didn't intend for 2 man parties to clear turn 5 either

I was frustrated by the pace, but make no mistake, had you entered the final room instead of standing outside, there would have been no vote to kick, so although annoying, the pace wasn't the real reason, instead purposefully trying to cause the scholar to wipe when he ran in was what resulted in the vote

[starLivitation]

Hey guys,

So, did this ever happen to you? We had a first timer in Halatali HM, and as tank I was explaining boss tactics. This pair of an impatient summoner and scholar pulls before I even moved in the boss area and barely have my first sentence out, leading to almost two wipes on the first boss from the big AoE because I didn't have time to say to leave the mammet alone, and one on the second because I didn't have time to tell about the orb.

So after the second boss I say "Hey, if you guys don't want me to tank, just say so :P" and we move on. Then on the last boss, they pull the same thing, I just keep standing outside and the 1st timer as well, let them tank if they want so badly I'm thinking. In the meantime I'm explaining the few things to the 1st-timer and then BOOM, I'm kicked from party...

I'll agree, I guess was a bit of a jerk for not rushing to their 'rescue' like some Leroy Jenkins situation, but is this really what's happening to the community? That people are getting punished for explaining tactics? And yeah, I guess being overgeared makes following tactics not that unforgiving in Halatali HM, but that seems like a bad excuse for being terribly impatient. Anyway, I've not written this post to get something done about it, I know that's quite futile, but more because I'm curious about your toughts.

Thanks for the read!

Ps. the 1st-timer also left after, not finishing the dungeon, telling me he told them they were *ssholes, lol. I do so hope irony happened and they had to wait a looooooong time for a new tank.

I have seen worst. as a Warrior helping my friend for the first time to get thru one of the new dungens, i decdided foolishy to go DPS stance on the first boss which is pretty easy. after finishing this boss, the healer start argument that i shud not have used dps stance and such. i told him it went ok, and that i know what i am doing and that i am actually an experienced tank, clearing content such as t13 before 3.0. the result that i was kicked from dungen by the healer and his friend in the dungen. and soon i realized not to take any risks or talk too much in duty finder as it gets people upset, if they complain and u tell them that u know ur job etc, they dont like it, they want things to go the way they want

[RemenantStrife]

Anyway, the bottom line after crossing these sympathies away against each other is that the vote-kick feature was abused. You admitted in your post you used the feature and you admitted your SCH friend initiated it. After everything said and done, you and your SCH friend were in the wrong there, against written in-game rules which are even emphasized with a pop-up before using the feature.

See this is where we don't agree, you see it as an abuse to be kicked for not entering a boss room, where as I genuinely see it as you not participating, which is the same as been AFK

There is no abuse of feature in that case, if I join a dungeon now, go through the mobs, then stand outside at the boss room, and cry foul when I am kicked, should I then feel aggrieved by those who kicked me?

[Kallera]

One time in Praetorium, an astrologian got impatient at the new people running the dungeon and watching the cutscenes, he pulled Nero tol Scaeva while scenes were being watched, the whole party agreed to stand outside while he was left with Nero.

He almost suceeded, he got a vote kick for the trouble after Nero put him down to the /cheers of the pt.

Another time in Copperbell hard it was an actual accident, and pulling back helped prevent a wipe.

[HulveinBlitz]

[LaylaTsarra]

See this is where we don't agree, you see it as an abuse to be kicked for not entering a boss room, where as I genuinely see it as you not participating, which is the same as been AFK

There is no abuse of feature in that case, if I join a dungeon now, go through the mobs, then stand outside at the boss room, and cry foul when I am kicked, should I then feel aggrieved by those who kicked me?

Please give it a rest. You're not helping yourself. He wasn't afk, he was explaining tactics and boss mechanics to a NEW PLAYER. Get over yourself and stop already if you fail to understand the difference.

[Valenth]

See this is where we don't agree, you see it as an abuse to be kicked for not entering a boss room, where as I genuinely see it as you not participating, which is the same as been AFK

There is no abuse of feature in that case, if I join a dungeon now, go through the mobs, then stand outside at the boss room, and cry foul when I am kicked, should I then feel aggrieved by those who kicked me?

We'll see how SE thinks upon that subject when they look through the chat- and activity logs, the timers and everything when they'll investigate the issue. They'll probably see I was not Away From Keyboard (obviously typing in /p), nor Offline. They'll probably see the time difference between us standing in front of the bossroom and the SCH pulling couldn't have been much more than 10s. Truth be told, I'm inclined to believe SE will put me in the right when it comes to my claim of the abuse of the vote-kick feature after reviewing everything. And I'm saying this because yesterday I made a report about it in the heat of the moment. They soon after came back at me saying they would investigate.

Still, I see you touching upon a lot of side-issues of the main problem, pointing out particular parts of my text. I have yet to see you refute my point where I said you and the SCH could have told me something, anything in /p at all. Care to share your thoughts on that? Will you admit things probably didn't go so sour if you and him had just communicated a bit with me?

[Valenth]

Hand me some of that will you? xD

[RemenantStrife]

Still, I see you touching upon a lot of side-issues of the main problem, pointing out particular parts of my text. I have yet to see you refute my point where I said you and the SCH could have told me something, anything in /p at all. Care to share your thoughts on that? Will you admit things probably didn't go so sour if you and him had just communicated a bit with me?

I play on PS4, so I only bother typing at times when I have my keyboard plugged in as otherwise its ridiculously slow to get anything said, but the pace at which you moved wasn't the deciding factor in the removal, that's the side issue, not entering the boss room is the main issue as had you entered, obviously there wouldn't have been a kick and the dungeon would have been completed, nothing said or done, just moved on

Reality of it is, had you entered the room, its a clear, no harm no foul, instead you stood outside and seem to pass blame to others