Things Getting Too Obnoxious

[Sleigh]

Most of your points are basically, playing with PUGs is a bad time (which is true).

The ones where you're saying the game is harder in 3.0, well, it is, but it's the best direction to go. Level 50 classes, you could pick the dummy rotations up then play at 90-100% of their power in real fights going in for the first time. Now there are so many options per the fight and higher skill ceilings, that people who try can really shine above people who don't. It's a great direction to go IMO, fantastic.

[Linadae]

Most of your points are basically, playing with PUGs is a bad time (which is true).

The ones where you're saying the game is harder in 3.0, well, it is, but it's the best direction to go. Level 50 classes, you could pick the dummy rotations up then play at 90-100% of their power in real fights going in for the first time. Now there are so many options per the fight and higher skill ceilings, that people who try can really shine above people who don't. It's a great direction to go IMO, fantastic.

You make the bosses harder, not the classes. Making the classes harder is just bad design in my book. Bad enough we have to fight the boss and our own latency, now we're being forced to fight with the class design too? I'm sorry but that's not hard, that's frustrating.

[RyuDragnier]

You make the bosses harder, not the classes. Making the classes harder is just bad design in my book. Bad enough we have to fight the boss and our own latency, now we're being forced to fight with the class design too? I'm sorry but that's not hard, that's frustrating.

Good news...both are harder. More DPS checks that can cause a wipe because people have bad rotations, and now brand new stuff thrown in the mix to separate the good from the horrible. This really shows during the EX fights, where one DPS not knowing a rotation will prevent you from even getting to the final phase. Yoshi-P really wasn't joking when he said the training wheels were off for Heavensward.

[Eecka]

You make the bosses harder, not the classes. Making the classes harder is just bad design in my book. Bad enough we have to fight the boss and our own latency, now we're being forced to fight with the class design too? I'm sorry but that's not hard, that's frustrating.

No, not making the classes harder is bad design. RPG combat is always easy at lvl 1 and complex at level cap, because more abilities = more options = more chances to screw up.

My biggest complaint is animation locks. I get it, the animations in this game ARE gorgeous, without saying.

Say what now? DRG is like the only job that has any sort of real animation locks, and playing around the animations is both part of the gameplay, and incredibly easy.

[pandabearcat]

Say what now? DRG is like the only job that has any sort of real animation locks, and playing around the animations is both part of the gameplay, and incredibly easy.

Its incredibly obnoxious to have to space out your cooldowns for no reason.

Every class has to "try to fit 2 ogcd into one gcd" so every class deals with animation locks.

It is a clunky feeling to have to wait for the animation. I want the game to work as fast as I push buttons, simple as that. Aka, how it works in every other game.

This has nothing to do with "ease". This isn't really about how hard a class is to play or not. This is about it simply not being fun for some people, because of the decisions made regarding how fitting these abilities in works.

Also: the macro system in this game is extremely primitive and incredibly terrible.

[seraseth]

The ones where you're saying the game is harder in 3.0, well, it is, but it's the best direction to go. Level 50 classes, you could pick the dummy rotations up then play at 90-100% of their power in real fights going in for the first time. Now there are so many options per the fight and higher skill ceilings, that people who try can really shine above people who don't. It's a great direction to go IMO, fantastic.

And meanwhile everyone is complaining about the trainwreck parties and the 'bad' dps, so the small % of super elite players with the twitch skills and perfect memory can be acknowledged as superior? I agree with Linadae, that's bad design. The average player (who's actually trying) should be able to hit 85% without hours of research and practice and memorization just to play a game. The players who have that extra skill or effort, still show, but no one has a miserable time of it.

Aside from party perspective, it's also a matter of not always wanting to be 'challenged' every minute of game play. Put the challenge in the content, not the class, then the player gets to decide when and how much they want to be challenged, not have it forced down their throat permanently.

[fm_fenrir]

The average player (who's actually trying) should be able to hit 85% without hours of research and practice and memorization just to play a game. The players who have that extra skill or effort, still show, but no one has a miserable time of it.

You really don't need that much "research" to play your job well. If you can't play your job at at least 80% of the crunch-heavy munchkin players after playing with your toolbox after a couple weeks, I don't think it's the game that's the problem.

[Fendred]

You really don't need that much "research" to play your job well. If you can't play your job at at least 80% of the crunch-heavy munchkin players after playing with your toolbox after a couple weeks, I don't think it's the game that's the problem.

Except playing at 80% capacity isn't going to down any bosses. Now if they dropped the complexity of the classes down to 80% of their current state, that would actually make a difference.

[Odowla]

Except playing at 80% capacity isn't going to down any bosses. Now if they dropped the complexity of the classes down to 80% of their current state, that would actually make a difference.

80% of their current state wouldnt even be anything.

Every class would be put up dots, then 111111111111 111111111111 11111111111 except the melees which would be the same but with 123 123 123 123 123. That doesnt sound fun at all.

[hallena]

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You're making it sound a lot more complicated than it really is.
SE are just bad at preparing their players for challenging content, dungeons are easy. Classes were stupidly simple. Hard mode trials might aswell not even be a thing. As soon as these players face anything slightly challenging they don't know what to do and instantly go cry about it because there is no middle between easy and hard.
No class in heavensward is hard to play and you don't need to be a super elite players with twitch skills and perfect memory to pull good damage/heal

The last thing i want is classes to play like arm warrior in world of warcraft because their playerbase don't know how to multitask during raid