The "Casual PvP Problem" (For Tomes and Exp) and Possible Fixes

[Dimitrii]

I'll consider melee borked when they can no longer stun and then LB to 1-shot my WHM.

If you're a healer in frontlines I would strongly consider rolling with fending accessories so you can survive the lb, benediction/lustrate/whatever yourself to full health and then laugh at that melee having effectively wasted his lb on you. This of course wont save you if a group is focus targetting you but really nothing will in that instance anyway. You just wanna remove the ability of some lone melee running up to you and one shotting you with a lb, that shouldnt happen to healers nor tanks. Anyway I do agree the fetter ward+stun+melee lb is gimicky and was disappointed that they didnt just keep it in slaughter and out of the new mode but what can you do.

[Zorlinta]

well as a casual player and also i hate pvp (but still i try to follow the guides of who likes it), i would suggest increase bonuses in relation as performance, that would make people like put more effort into it. Lowering eso tomes in special, will make people (like me) stop queing it, its now just fair ammount for some effort. 20 eso x about 15 mins is about the same than doing any of those 2 dungs of 40 eso for about 30 mins (if smooth).
Im know im not good agains other players, im too slow selecting with ps4 control, and not so experienced because it was just pointless and not fun run some any pvp before. Also as side note im belong to twin adders, so im not have hard feelings staying on last because is just eso farming. (btw, with pvp rewards im earning enough tomes to get from 145/150 items to can gear up to be able to run alexander).

[Black_Rose]

i 100% agree with the OP.the current PvP mind is go in and get my exp/tomes/marks.
there are hardly any real pvp fights that are worth it.
just now i had a group that didn't want to rush a node that was protected by 6 players while we had a full alliance.remove any PvE rewards i say and add new things to PvP.
It's crazy how scared some people are to actually PvP in a PvP map.defend, defend, defend is all i hear.no wonder my GC has been on a losing streak

[Zorlinta]

.remove any PvE rewards i say and add new things to PvP.

Sure is a good idea. But keep in mind that many people just get into seal rock for it (like myself) will not get closer of any pvp at all. So less cannon meat if i would say it.

[Februs]

i 100% agree with the OP.the current PvP mind is go in and get my exp/tomes/marks.
there are hardly any real pvp fights that are worth it.
just now i had a group that didn't want to rush a node that was protected by 6 players while we had a full alliance.remove any PvE rewards i say and add new things to PvP.
It's crazy how scared some people are to actually PvP in a PvP map.defend, defend, defend is all i hear.no wonder my GC has been on a losing streak

This is exactly why I mentioned that maybe Eso tome bonus might have to go. Last week, I was rocking a 40% win rate in my GC. This week, (keeping in mind It has been ONE day around 15 matches) I've been given a hard shafting and I've got 2 wins total. Why? Because the players that I was playing with at the end of last week had a VASTLY different mindset then the ones I've been playing with at the beginning of this one.

Defend! Defend! Defend! ... That's Bulls***. They're just willing to casually sit by and coast into 3rd place while the other two GC's duke it out over 1st and second. Casual players have ZERO aggression and cost the match. Because they don't know what they're doing they are terrified to attack and they don't stick together. They just want their tomes and meager 3rd place exp so they can be on their way.

I was starting to warm up to the idea of keeping tome bonuses, for the sake of que times, but after the first day of this week I have completely revised my opinion. PvE'ers who have no interest in winning PvP matches have NO PLACE IN PVP. GET OUT AND STOP SCREWING THE REST OF US OVER.

I'm not gonna say that PvE rewards have no place in PvP, but INSTANT PvE rewards should be removed. If they want PvE rewards in PvP then they should require work and effort to get them. It is TOTALLY UNFAIR that PvP Rewards require countless hours of grinding and effort, desperate attempts at winning just to get that little bit more exp or kills, but PvE rewards are instant and you get them regardless of performance or effort. Tomes should go. Add a decent PvE set, or something, that you can only buy if you're at rank 50, but none of this instant crap that encourages the weak and unmotivated (who somehow think they are entitled to demand the team defend) to rule over the committed players.

[Februs]

Sure is a good idea. But keep in mind that many people just get into seal rock for it (like myself) will not get closer of any pvp at all. So less cannon meat if i would say it.

I (and a lot of committed PvP'ers) do not need cannon meat. We need killers. Dyed int the wool, killers. Cold, ruthless, methodical and thorough (I'm wondering if anyone will catch the reference... =P)

Seriously though. Cannon fodder is one of the problems of casual PvP'ers. Every death costs the team 5 pts. If you die multiple times, or at the very least don't match your kills to your deaths, you are sinking your team into a hole they can't dig their way out of with just tomes. Cannon Fodder is unnecessary for PvP'ers. We need killers, and we need smart ones that know it is best to work together and focus down targets as fast as possible.

Funny fact about PvP that most players don't seem to know: You can win matches without defending a single tome so long as your team is consistently murdering people. That means staying as a massive mob and zerging down targets. The more tightly packed a mob you are, the harder it is for defenders to pick out specific targets in the group. They end up auto targeting pets or tanks, and healers have an easier time keeping up. You almost always fall behind at the beginning of the match, but also almost always end up winning by 200-300 pts by the end. Unfortunately, this only works if the ENTIRE team commits to it, which almost never happens because most people are too scared to attack, or, worse, are lingering at the spawn point and hoping no one will notice because they're really only there to collect their pay stub and move on.

Ps. Your comment about PS4 targeting is accurate. So far, The ONLY downside I've had to playing on PS4 is that the targeting system is sluggish and difficult to cycle. You can fix this by setting up a mouse and keyboard to your system, but you'll still have trouble picking out targets in a tight mob. There's just too many names to sort through, and people are moving too fast. Auto targeting seems to focus pets and tanks before squishier targets, but it directional, so it can be worked. Targeting will try to lock on to the target that is closest to the center of your line of sight. Try the circle jerk to get the target you want. I am constantly disengaging targets with O and re-targeting with X after a slight camera adjustment to find the target I want. I Don't think it's something you can work as a healer, but, with a bit of practice, you can work it as a dps/tank. I've gotten pretty good at it now that I've had some practice.

[Iagainsti]

Nope. Do not remove the eso times from frontlines. I can't stand running fractal/never reap, and though capping weekly isn't as important now that we're progressing through savage, I want to be able to get my PVE
Through PvP. The odd run of Alex nm only gives 10, not enough to grind that either.

[Iagainsti]

They need to keep eso tomes for first place only. At least this might be some incentive for pve players to actually try and give a damn! I absolutely dread reset knowing I'm going to be stuck with players that are only there for the reward and are happy to just lose.. towards the end of the week the matches get far more exciting because it's only all the true pvpers around!

Nope. Lvl 39 pvp rank here, and I earn my tomes. Problem is I'm stuck with 71 other ppl who might detriment the match. I shouldn't have to bank on others skill/dedication to receive my tomes.

[Februs]

Nope. Lvl 39 pvp rank here, and I earn my tomes. Problem is I'm stuck with 71 other ppl who might detriment the match. I shouldn't have to bank on others skill/dedication to receive my tomes.

Rank 39 only means you play it a lot, not that you actually put effort it. That being said, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. Here's the thing though, Tome capping is super easy. It takes absolutely no time at all, just running your daily roulettes and one run of Alex normal. Why bother keeping tome bonus for something that is easy to get anyway?

Let's compare for a second. Total PvP exp required to reach lvl 50 is 216220 exp. Max exp you can get in match without bonuses or achievements is 400 exp. That's over 500 1st place wins just to cap your level. Good luck with that, since casual pvp'er are constantly screwing over your win ratio.

Weekly cap for eso is 450. Max cap is 2000. There' s a limited amount of eso you can even get, and weekly cap is easily reached just by running your day to day roulette's... WHY THE HECK SHOULD PVP'ER SYMPATHIZE WITH YOUR LAZINESS?! Go run PvE if you want to cap your Eso's. I, and I'm willing to bet most regular pvp'ers, will have no sympathy for someone who's looking for a reward that's handed out like candy for doing pretty much ANYTHING in this game. You're running savage? Great! Get your Eso's there. PvP is PvP. You should be running it because you want to, not because it get's your cap out of the way in a hurry.

I'm not saying you're a bad pvp'er. For all I know, you could be amazing. If that's true then feel free to stick around. The thing is, there's nothing fair about how PvP'ers have to grind this out, putting up with the multitude of PvP problems that plague this game, just to get a measly 400 exp while you, or players even lazier than you, sit comfy getting your Eso bonus every round just for showing up.

[Zorlinta]

Cannon Fodder is unnecessary for PvP'ers. We need killers, and we need smart ones.

Well without a good explain, a good plan, and good leaders we casual players are just cannon fodder.

Funny fact about PvP that most players don't seem to know ....

There are not any in game tutorials for PvP, or any instruction at all.
You are just thrown into a zone and let Gods helps you. Watching videos may help but still need a deep in explain about the Goal, Area mechanics, Strategies, etc
Also in diferent runs seems to be diferent instructions, some leaders say Stay and Defend. Other ones say Go and Attack. So wich one should be??.

You can fix this by setting up a mouse and keyboard to your system.

This would be good but remember that ps4 is tied to TV and controller is wireless. Also often you play in a sofa, chair or a bed where is really not comfortable/possible have a mouse and keyboard around.