Hints at Blue Mage in the level 60 ALC quest?

[Cilia]

Yes, how dare he ask for a returning element from a game he loved, in a series famous for its returning elements! :P

Everyone has favorite jobs from past Final Fantasy games, its only natural to want them to return in the latest Final Fantasy. Plus, Puppetmasters are awesome :P

My beef isn't with people who want X class to be added in, my beef is with people who jumped ship from XI and want XIV to basically be XI-2. It's not, and it's never going to be.

Personally I don't care what class(es) they add at this point; I got DRK, my favorite class ever, so I'm happy (even if it's not the traditional "burn my life to punish my enemies" DRK). I'd rather see legacy classes (Blue Mage) or more original classes (Astrologian) than something that was in XI just because it was in XI and XI veterans (fanboys / fangirls) want it, though. Just my two cents.

[WellFooled]

My beef isn't with people who want X class to be added in, my beef is with people who jumped ship from XI and want XIV to basically be XI-2. It's not, and it's never going to be.

Hey, I'm with you there. Two separate games are two separate games, but his post didn't include anything about that. He was just talking about the possibility of a couple jobs showing up in FFXIV and you told him to (politely) shut up. You're projecting motives onto him that aren't in the post.

That said, how is a Final Fantasy fan wanting puppet master included any different than a fan wanting Blue Mage?

[Cilia]

Hey, I'm with you there. Two separate games are two separate games, but his post didn't include anything about that. He was just talking about the possibility of a couple jobs showing up in FFXIV and you told him to (politely) shut up. You're projecting motives onto him that aren't in the post.

That said, how is a Final Fantasy fan wanting puppet master included any different than a fan wanting Blue Mage?

Let me preface this by stating that it's (mostly) just my opinion.

Anyone who mentions PUP can pretty much instantly be identified as an XI veteran (fanboy / fangirl), since that class exists only in XI. Put plainly, it doesn't have the history a lot of other classes (Red Mage, Geomancer, Blue Mage, Samurai) do, nor is it anywhere near as iconic. Given I got DRK I don't particularly care one way or another, but I'd much rather see legacy classes or new classes than one that existed only in XI before that (especially given PUP was basically just a replacement for Necromancer when they decided not to implement that class). It's a matter of the class having a history or being unique, compared to something like PUP whose only argument for inclusion I can think of is "I liked it in XI."

Why is it I'd rather have legacy classes or new classes? Well, it's important to remember the past, which is why we need legacy (iconic) classes. Some things need to remain constant. At the same time, we need to forge ahead and not be afraid to create something new - creating new classes does exactly that. Leaving rare/unique classes in their own game (such as XI's PUP) lets both it and XIV have their own identity by having something the other doesn't. (MCH, for example, is unique to XIV, so it's "an XIV class," not "a Final Fantasy class.")

Beastmaster falls under a similar problem to me. It's from V, and aside from that game only appears in X-2 and XI, though elements of it do exist in other games (such as VII's Manipulate materia).

Blue Mage, on the other hand, has been around since V in some form or another. Though not the oldest, it definitely has a history and is one of the few classes Final Fantasy can truly call its own (a lot of the classes / jobs in Final Fantasy are almost omnipresent in RPGs). It's iconic to Final Fantasy fans in general, not just XI veterans, so by that token I consider it more worthy of inclusion than something like Puppetmaster.

... I admit I'm biased, and someone mentioning stuff from XI leads me to jump to conclusions. In my defense, from what I've experienced XI veterans are notorious for wanting XIV to be XI-2 in all but name, so it's not entirely unfounded, and mentioning BLU, BST, and PUP (the last of which is exclusive to XI) sets off certain flags. I do try and keep an impartial stance, but I'm only human.

Again, just my two cents.

*readies NulBlaze*

[WellFooled]

*readies NulBlaze*

Sorry if I come off a little strong, I'm a huge Puppetmaster fan so you hit a bit of a nerve. While I disagree in part, I do see where you're coming from. Some jobs don't have the same history that others do and if FFXIV neglected that it wouldn't feel much like a Final Fantasy game. Though I'd argue the history is only important to a point. All of the jobs at one time had no history in the series and if they were left as one time additions than they would never have risen to their iconic state. I don't think its wrong for FFXI fans to wish for classes they enjoyed to make a return in FFXIV.