#nofunallowed

[Khalithar]

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Well if it's going to mirror actual CCG's then I believe the grind was put in the wrong place. You should be able to earn all TT cards through playing TT, the whole point of the side activity in an MMO is to do it when not doing the main dungeon/raid stuff, not do the dungeon/raid stuff so you could do the side activity. Also, your standard booster pack (from hearthstone to yu gi oh to MTG) ALWAYS had at least one rare card in it and while you had no control over which rare card it was or how useful it was, you were always guaranteed one regardless. Also, looking at hearthstone again, there are NPC challenges in the game you have to do for obtaining certain cards and when you complete those challenges and beat those NPC's, you are once more guaranteed those cards after you beat them rather than having to do it again and again.

[Kat_Manx]

They definitely do not understand how to separate fun content from hardcore content. There was a lot of things I was waiting for which ultimately failed...

Triple Triad, Chocobo Racing and gathering MGP is very grindy..so the Golden Saucer became empty after a few weeks. Then other things like when housing arrived it was like, oh yeah it's just gonna cost 50 times the amount of money you've ever made during the entire game.

Don't get me started on glamour either. Some of the items are like.. max level crafting from super rare items.

I'm not saying the game shouldn't have grinding. But that's supposed to be reserved for useful things like relics or whatnot. Spending a month to get the best weapon for your job is okay, spending a month to get a revealing bikini top is not.

[Yukiko]

I am a bit sad how many are talking from TT without knowing it or barely remembering it...
FFVIII is having the best TT system and thats why real life turnaments are based on that one...
FFIX they added RNG to TT and i really got upset, but still... you had a 1 to 5 chance, but i got really angry because they added on top of that additional RNG and the NPC need to actually PLAY the card. (higher ranked NPCs you had not much of a chance to win the whole board, to design the "luck" only around that "option" is naive! it was like 1 of 50 tries to win the whole board and then if you won, the NPC did not play the card you desired - thanks RNG )

To be honest: I did not imagine you could create a worst TT game than it was in FFIX, still FFXIV proven me wrong... How long we have now rigged turnaments? SE is ignoring it.

Just for notes: TT is not a CCG and never was it. CCGs are designed to get money, they are designed that players can never get ALL cards (a reason to bring out new cards monthly). TT is designed to have FUN where you do not collect cards but to have a wide variation of rulesets because of "everyone having the same cards" (a reason why every card is having a weak spot and why there are many rules where you can win with low level cards). You try to compare apples with pears!

About the grinding stuff ingame, i think best to explain is gatherer:
At first running in circles was such a pain but well... since 2.0 with the new system it became fun, i even grown to really like it but... when reaching level 50 nearly EVERYTHING includes WAITING and RNG (hidden). It burns out very quickly to be a part time job where you need DAYS do collect a stack of a "single" thing (mostly because you need HQ for everything)... Just when i thought it could not go worse they have added in 3.0 special spots... Not to mention on top of that the tomestone thing -> if you actually have the power to get them you dont need them any more!

To summ up gathering: up to level 46 its really fun and as it should be (except fishing because RNG). Since level 50 it becomes a burden and only those who think they can make easy gil are loving it. None of those who say they like it do it because they have fun, they do it because they can make good gil with it.

Compared to asia grinder MMOGs FFXIV is having one of the worst RNG based grind systems i have EVER seen! Not because others dont have RNG involved but "others" are having systems or allowing systems which are helping in some way... There are even games where you can automatic grind materials while going on the toilet...

Why do you think most new browsergames having those powerful "quest trackers"?

The 3.0 sightseeing log is much better, still there are suggestions how to improve it (using the echo as example). The players NEVER asked for just finding and leaving, we all agree with SE that sightseeing log can be an eyecatcher and something special, we just dont agree about the RNG and stupid WAITING from 2.0 system...

[Makeda]

(Side note: the team also needs to stop making skimpy outfits all the time. Seriously, 70% of the glamours is either bathing suits, summer tops, skimpy dresses, amulets or Taffeta stuff)

All of the other MMOs seem to have policies against skimpy outfits... let us have at least ONE mmo that has them, that isn't some weird softcore freak fest like TERA, Scarlet Blades, and Blade and Soul - but just a normal game, where the skimpy outfits are glamorous or pretty rather than skanky and $20-ho-on-the-corner like those other games.

[Lexia]

#nofunallowed is more imposed by other players then by the dev team. Cause other players be treating it like a job or something "omg you not doing 100% max dps you suck" or what ever other reason they come up with.

[D-vide]

#nofunallowed is more imposed by other players then by the dev team. Cause other players be treating it like a job or something "omg you not doing 100% max dps you suck" or what ever other reason they come up with.

This is not about dps at all

It is a multiplayer game after all most of the stuff in the game is done in groups. The game helps you find stuff with duty finder so what more do you what?

We have a beautiful range of posters answering your question in this topic. You should read on it.

[Lexia]

This is not about dps at all

I was just giving a example and saying that what OP is saying about #nofunallowed is more imposed by players then the creators of the game.

[D-vide]

I was just giving a example and saying that what OP is saying about #nofunallowed is more imposed by players then the creators of the game.

I am the OP. Also, if you want to do TT, you need to grind. This is not imposed by players since the other option is not playing at all

[Lexia]

I am the OP. Also, if you want to do TT, you need to grind. This is not imposed by players since the other option is not playing at all

Well that not the developers fault you or other don't find it fun others do it enjoy it. Those that don't like the grind maybe need to find a different game to play?

[Whocareswhatmynameis]

I am the OP. Also, if you want to do TT, you need to grind. This is not imposed by players since the other option is not playing at all

The other option is to do Mini-cactpot, chocobo racing, Triple Triad and G.A.T.E.s to earn MGP get gold or platinum packs and fill your deck with cards. Or you can do trials and get cards, or run dungeons to get cards, or play NPCs to get cards. OR PLAY YOUR FRIENDS to get MGP, and turn it in for cards.

The options to enjoy Triple Triad are endless. This is a case of gimme all the cards and I'll be happy for about 2 days and start complaining again. While I agree with some of the earlier posts. SOME of the cards could be easier to get, especially the cloud card IMO. but most of the cards are fine the way they are.

The game has lots of content (the developers did their part). The problem lies in the playerbase that sticks their nose up at the content because they feel they don't get rewarded enough for doing the activities. They want a reward each time they press the lever like it's some kind of skinner box.