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    The purpose for weekly caps is obvious. Slow progress down in the game so that you subscribe longer. Frankly, that is the purpose of each and every feature of the game. SE is running a business after all.

    I would much rather have development investment put into accelerating the design and release of new dungeons, raids and story content instead of developing new subscription holding grind fests. We have more than enough of that now. Just ask crafters what they think of the new scrip system.

    FFXI was the absolute king of grinding. XP. Merits. HNMs, Relics - My God, Relics - a system that required an entire LS to focus weekly efforts FOR OVER A YEAR to get a weapon for One member (Dynamis).

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    And that sentiment implies the assumption that everyone has that option.
    Reading comprehension must not be your strong point. How can me saying that I want something be interpreted as a belief that everyone has that opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waeksyn View Post
    Reading comprehension must not be your strong point.
    Neat, so we're just jumping straight to the insult-the-other-person part of the argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saggo View Post
    Neat, so we're just jumping straight to the insult-the-other-person part of the argument.
    Not jumping there. I don't believe that I was the one originally accusing the other of being narrow minded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waeksyn View Post
    Not jumping there. I don't believe that I was the one originally accusing the other of being narrow minded.
    Also by telling someone they can go play a different game (XI) because the game we all are playing (XIV) shouldn't be like the other game (XI) is in fact suggesting a form of 'goading'. There is no constructiveness in the sentence that was quoted above in another post of yours. It was implied-or at the very least could be taken as--that "if you like XI then go play XI and leave my XIV alone". Which can be taken as a dismissive remark. Just saying, I think his reading comprehension was on point as I thought the same thing but decided against commenting on such dismissive remarks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK View Post
    Also by telling someone they can go play a different game (XI) because the game we all are playing (XIV) shouldn't be like the other game (XI) is in fact suggesting a form of 'goading'. There is no constructiveness in the sentence that was quoted above in another post of yours. It was implied-or at the very least could be taken as--that "if you like XI then go play XI and leave my XIV alone". Which can be taken as a dismissive remark. Just saying, I think his reading comprehension was on point as I thought the same thing but decided against commenting on such dismissive remarks.
    That was not implied. It was directly stated.

    In my view (yours may differ) I would not appreciate having some of the things that I found to be the worst elements of FFXI (your view may differ) added to a game that I currently enjoy. Again, I still don't see anywhere in my post that suggests that my opinion ( I used the word "I") was to be taken as the viewpoint that everyone holds. If I meant that, I would have written something else.

    That said, there were elements of FFXI that I did enjoy. The best thing ever released for that game IMO (you may differ) was CoP. A great story, compelling characters, wicked difficulty (before it was nerfed) and spectacular new locations that in themselves were a challenge (navigating Hu' Xzoi). I've never had a game experience before or since that matched the feeling I got when I completed it. See? Story, dungeons, challenge. not mindless grinding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waeksyn View Post
    Not jumping there. I don't believe that I was the one originally accusing the other of being narrow minded.
    Very well, let's break it down.

    You don't want FFXIV to be FFXI (first statement). I can clearly infer you assume the previous thread participants want FFXIV to be FFXI, since you're countering with the inverse. So go play that game, we're told, in a statement I, again clearly, infer is directly related to the previous statement.

    Thus a perfectly acceptable reaction is to see you think we want this to be FFXI and we should just go play that game if that's what we want.

    The assumption I made is that you assume everyone has the option, if they want said features, to just play the game with those features (not sure where you get this "belief that everyone has that opinion" stuff). Admittedly not the strongest assumption, but not so crazy of a leap to make given you just told everyone to go play FFXI and gave no reason for the contrary.

    It is, according to Merriam and good ole Webster, an unwillingness to accept others behaviors that differ from your own when you tell them to just go play FFXI, if we want systems from it, because (like I said) people have their reasons for playing one MMO and making it FFXIV.

    So no. I didn't insult you. And yes, I was verbose and loquacious to get the point across.

    When it comes to Merits themself, yes, it was a stopgap to leveling in FFXI. But that's not necessarily a bad thing, given that some of the complaints for Heavensward is increasing the level cap caused problems. Merits allow for vertical growth and also allow for some horizontal growth, given that developers have complete control over what they could do, versus a pretty static set of rules a level up has. It has a lot more potential than just being an extension of leveling.
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