[SUGGESTION] LIMIT POINT / MERIT POINT SYSTEM

[Saggo]

Reading comprehension must not be your strong point.

Neat, so we're just jumping straight to the insult-the-other-person part of the argument.

[Waeksyn]

Neat, so we're just jumping straight to the insult-the-other-person part of the argument.

Not jumping there. I don't believe that I was the one originally accusing the other of being narrow minded.

[OMEGA_HACK]

Not jumping there. I don't believe that I was the one originally accusing the other of being narrow minded.

Also by telling someone they can go play a different game (XI) because the game we all are playing (XIV) shouldn't be like the other game (XI) is in fact suggesting a form of 'goading'. There is no constructiveness in the sentence that was quoted above in another post of yours. It was implied-or at the very least could be taken as--that "if you like XI then go play XI and leave my XIV alone". Which can be taken as a dismissive remark. Just saying, I think his reading comprehension was on point as I thought the same thing but decided against commenting on such dismissive remarks.

[Waeksyn]

Also by telling someone they can go play a different game (XI) because the game we all are playing (XIV) shouldn't be like the other game (XI) is in fact suggesting a form of 'goading'. There is no constructiveness in the sentence that was quoted above in another post of yours. It was implied-or at the very least could be taken as--that "if you like XI then go play XI and leave my XIV alone". Which can be taken as a dismissive remark. Just saying, I think his reading comprehension was on point as I thought the same thing but decided against commenting on such dismissive remarks.

That was not implied. It was directly stated.

In my view (yours may differ) I would not appreciate having some of the things that I found to be the worst elements of FFXI (your view may differ) added to a game that I currently enjoy. Again, I still don't see anywhere in my post that suggests that my opinion ( I used the word "I") was to be taken as the viewpoint that everyone holds. If I meant that, I would have written something else.

That said, there were elements of FFXI that I did enjoy. The best thing ever released for that game IMO (you may differ) was CoP. A great story, compelling characters, wicked difficulty (before it was nerfed) and spectacular new locations that in themselves were a challenge (navigating Hu' Xzoi). I've never had a game experience before or since that matched the feeling I got when I completed it. See? Story, dungeons, challenge. not mindless grinding.

[Saggo]

Not jumping there. I don't believe that I was the one originally accusing the other of being narrow minded.

Very well, let's break it down.

You don't want FFXIV to be FFXI (first statement). I can clearly infer you assume the previous thread participants want FFXIV to be FFXI, since you're countering with the inverse. So go play that game, we're told, in a statement I, again clearly, infer is directly related to the previous statement.

Thus a perfectly acceptable reaction is to see you think we want this to be FFXI and we should just go play that game if that's what we want.

The assumption I made is that you assume everyone has the option, if they want said features, to just play the game with those features (not sure where you get this "belief that everyone has that opinion" stuff). Admittedly not the strongest assumption, but not so crazy of a leap to make given you just told everyone to go play FFXI and gave no reason for the contrary.

It is, according to Merriam and good ole Webster, an unwillingness to accept others behaviors that differ from your own when you tell them to just go play FFXI, if we want systems from it, because (like I said) people have their reasons for playing one MMO and making it FFXIV.

So no. I didn't insult you. And yes, I was verbose and loquacious to get the point across.

When it comes to Merits themself, yes, it was a stopgap to leveling in FFXI. But that's not necessarily a bad thing, given that some of the complaints for Heavensward is increasing the level cap caused problems. Merits allow for vertical growth and also allow for some horizontal growth, given that developers have complete control over what they could do, versus a pretty static set of rules a level up has. It has a lot more potential than just being an extension of leveling.

[OMEGA_HACK]

Waeksyn, you fail to point out that that one weapon that took a year or so to get was the one weapon you would have FOREVER because like in previous FF titles, your Legendary Weapon was the best weapon for ever and always. Its the one thing about FFXIV that I abhor is that my Relic/Legendary weapon is nothing more than a glamour piece not even 5 weeks into the expansion.

I should also like to note that things like HNMs are more equivalent to Raids (as XI didn't really have instanced zones save for some of the newest stuff and BCNMs) and you really didn't have to grind all that much to get a lot of that gear if you were in a group. The thing that made XI feel like it was a big long grind in the endgame (save for Merits and Exp) was that EVERYTHING required an alliance of 18 people at least to do, and in many cases there were usually more people to assist on the sidelines, switching people in and out of parties for their 2hr abilities and the such. There was a much more strategic play involved which in turn slowed the game down as not everyone in those much needed groups could play every day.

And again you cushion the blow that really cripples this game with your answer. They slow the game down because after you get the gear there is literally nothing you NEED to do to progress, in fact there is NOTHING else you CAN do to progress besides level up another job to 60 if you haven't maxed them yet.

As for the scrip system, its not a grind fest; its just a very poorly designed system where you trade a currency for another form of currency to trade for a chance to obtain an item to trade for another item, all on top of a 1st currency weekly cap. The problem isn't the grind its the compounding of currency to create an overtly tedious process that is unnecessary. All they would need to do to fix the whole problem is to remove the currency into currency conversion and the system while still unnecessarily complex would at least make it manageable. But that is another thing altogether.

[OMEGA_HACK]

You beat me to the post, Saggo.

[Waeksyn]

So, I was not insulted by being accused of being narrow minded because you can quote a dictionary? I stand behind my statement that you have reading comprehension issues given the way that you interpreted my very clear writing. Stating an opinion should not be interpreted as suggesting that EVERYONE has that opinion unless is is specifically stated. Please don't be insulted.

Look, you can continue to be nostalgic about FFXI as much as you want. There were some great features in that game (such as CoP as in my previous post). Grind fests such as merits was not one of the ones that I enjoyed and would not enjoy it being ported into this, currently very well balanced, game.

[Saggo]

So, I was not insulted by being accused of being narrow minded because you can quote a dictionary?

Yes.

Stating an opinion should not be interpreted as suggesting that EVERYONE has that opinion unless is is specifically stated.

Seriously, where are you getting this?