[SUGGESTION] LIMIT POINT / MERIT POINT SYSTEM

[ElHeggunte]

The Final Fantasy series has always been "easy".

FFX was easy, you can play thought the whole thing without knowing what heck you are doing and get to the end - first hand experience. Yet, it has depth if you are willing to look.

There's a multitude of reasons you really shouldn't be comparing single-player console games to an MMO.

"Too confusing for the average player" [...]

Is exactly what SE has said in response to players asking for more complex systems. And considering some of the things I've witnessed in-game and the various posts that pop up here on the forums, I'm inclined to believe them.

PS: I have no idea what you are going on about with "TP bars" since we do have TP ... not the kind you are looking for?

I think he means being able to see the TP bars of your party members. Which is something we're finally getting, sans the numbers.

[Kogasan]

Like I said in the last thread on this topic I'll say it again. If you guys want merit/limit points why don't you go to ffxi. Yah I know you guys are gonna say well its old but so is the idea of merit/limit points. Stop trying to bring things from ffxi and start loving the game for how it is. Again please stop trying to turn this game into ffxi this is ffxiv so please just stop.

[Daranion]

If you're raiding you're not the average player. And as for TP bars we very much don't have party TP bars for the reason stated. Again, please stop ignoring the point at hand and look at the wider image. Hell, even the forums most likely aren't the representation of the majority fanbase. Fact of the matter is, things have to be simple, and the merit point system as presented in the OP, still has too many numbers and choices. This isn't an argument over it being easy or hard, this is an argument over it being too easy or too hard for the average player. And since the average player, according to Square themselves, gets confused by adding a TP bar next to the MP bar in the party list, the bar is set kind of low dont you think?

[Bishop81]

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16 bit FF games were made for kids - as primarily only kids played games back then - and they have more depth that FFXIV's attribute and gear system.

Are you telling me modern day adults and children are dumber than the 90s 12 year olds?

Secondly, just because the complexity is there doesn't mean the player necessarily have to deal with it. Look at FFX, as I said, you can pretty much completely the game not knowing a single thing about how it's stats system worked. Fights were easy enough such that you can "wing it" 99% of the time with what knowledge you so happen to pick up without paying much attention.

PS: Half the time, if something is "too complicated for the player" it's because the developers did a ass poor job of conveying the required information.

Edit: You talk about it being too complicated for the average player ... Yet running numbers through a spreadsheet to determine BiS, which SE explicitly allows, isn't complicated?

[Razard]

16 bit FF games were made for kids - as primarily only kids played games back then - and they have more depth that FFXIV's attribute and gear system.

Are you telling me modern day adults and children are dumber than the 90s 12 year olds?

Citation needed.

And as an added aside. I wouldn't hold the 16bit and under ff's as a bastion of programming. For example, ff6 alone has enough bugs in it to convince me that the game is held together with glue and duct tape.

Secondly, just because the complexity is there doesn't mean the player necessarily have to deal with it. Look at FFX, as I said, you can pretty much completely the game not knowing a single thing about how it's stats system worked. Fights were easy enough such that you can "wing it" 99% of the time with what knowledge you so happen to pick up without paying much attention.

The difference here is it's single player. No one else has to carry you. Your mistakes only affect yourself. You might be able to tap X to win, won't be anyone to clean up your mess when you face an opponent worth a damn.

PS : Half the time, if something is "too complicated for the player" it's because the developers did a ass poor job of conveying the required information.

Half the time, yes. The other half is player either skipping the text, not reading what skills do, or just plain not understanding. It works both ways I'm afraid.

[Daranion]

We're not even getting numbers on our party TP bars despite asking for them since launch? They really are trying to include the lowest common denominator aren't they?

[StrejdaTom]

We're not even getting numbers on our party TP bars despite asking for them since launch? They really are trying to include the lowest common denominator aren't they?

Well they blame it on server data stress.
And percentage is enough for me as a BRD.

[ElHeggunte]

In all fairness, the numbers are kind of unnecessary. The TP bar has a fixed value of 1000 so it should be easy enough to guesstimate how much TP someone has if you really need to know. Which is probably the same reason we have numerical values on HP/MP, because the amount you have between characters can vary wildly even in the same class.

[Dhex]

Made a similar suggestion awhile ago; people like to tear ideas in this vein down. I hope they add something like Merits eventually.

Here was my idea:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ess-concept%29

[Snolily]

I enjoyed the FFXI Merit system, also it made you a little different from the rest of the players. Right now you cant be any different from anyone else in the game and i think that merits could enhance your DPS or Mage skills and with the merit system you should be able to pick from a variety of spells or actions. Including more stats if needed. Sort of like FFXI of course. Idk there is a lot of things i wish they would add from FFXI like combat system as well as being able to farm things to make money etc.