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  1. #11
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    Aurelinaus's Avatar
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    Zata'ra Dakwhil
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    1) No reason not to. I honestly lol'd @waste of mana since it comes back in no time at all, can go oom from holy spamming slowpokes/afkers to full mp in a few secs.

    2) In very rare circumstances where a medica will do the job, the gcd saved > extra mp spent due to movement and/or incoming heavy damage to tank or party. This is almost as silly as the the first. As long they aren't going oom or causing the bard/mch to ballad/?, why care? It's not like they're casting medica when obviously a cure III was needed, or cure III on a single target.

    3) Left for dead once because they were a liability. Otherwise it's because swiftcast is on cd. If the main tank is a PLD/DRK and awesome, that they hollow/dead I'll hardcast raise
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  2. #12
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    Leiloni Kahu
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    Leviathan
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Aurelinaus View Post
    2) In very rare circumstances where a medica will do the job, the gcd saved > extra mp spent due to movement and/or incoming heavy damage to tank or party. This is almost as silly as the the first. As long they aren't going oom or causing the bard/mch to ballad/?, why care? It's not like they're casting medica when obviously a cure III was needed, or cure III on a single target.
    To be honest I can't agree with number 2. There's really no situation where I've ever felt the need to Medica when only 1 or 2 people need healing. If one person needs healing then just heal them. If two need healing, single target heal them individually. If an AoE will be going out after that, sure cast an AoE after that when the rest of the party actually takes damage. Unless the party will be taking repeated AoE hits and you simply cannot wait the 3 seconds to cast Medica II, in which case I'd just Swiftcast it and follow up with the Medica then. But most of the time your 1 or 2 targets are not going to die in the next 2 seconds that you can't afford the time needed for the extra cast.

    The few situations where the damage is that heavy you should already know it's coming and be prepared for it - and in the off chance you aren't prepared, well that's exactly why we have oGCD heals like Lustrate/Tetra/ED/Bene/Fairy. But healing a party that doesn't need it is just not an optimal way to play.

    Edit: And if you want to talk about extra MP spent we can certainly do that. Medica is 1238 MP for a 300 potency heal - on 2 targets that's an incredibly abysmal .48 potency/MP. Whereas 2 Cure's is 884 MP for a 400 potency heal and comes out to a decent .90 potency/MP with the chance to proc a free Cure II. I don't know in what world you think casting Medica on 2 targets is better in any way. In order for Medica to be a better usage of your mana you need to be healing 4 targets with it for the full heal, but the situations where that arises is pretty slim because usually those 4 people are either a)taking more damage than that and need a large heal, in which case Medica II is more efficient, or b)they're not taking damage again anytime soon and you can simply individually heal the couple that really need it. Or in some situations you can just flat out ignore a dps or two if they've only lose a tiny bit of HP and let it regen naturally.
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    Last edited by Leiloni; 08-08-2015 at 04:56 AM.

  3. #13
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    Ballooooon's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by FaizeD View Post
    My gripes:
    2. Full-time DPS only healers that I have to carry.
    Wait, if you can solo heal the fight yourself (I presume that's what you mean by "carry") then why wouldn't the other healer go full-time dps?
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  4. #14
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    Leiloni Kahu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ballooooon View Post
    Wait, if you can solo heal the fight yourself (I presume that's what you mean by "carry") then why wouldn't the other healer go full-time dps?
    For me personally it feels lazy and irritating when another healer does that. I'd much rather we both do our jobs so we can both output more dps. Let's shield/fairy/HOT people and get out our DOTs for more dps. It feels easier, smoother, and faster to me when the healers work together like that.

    Because honestly why should I have to carry your lazy ass?
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    Last edited by Leiloni; 08-08-2015 at 04:58 AM.

  5. #15
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    Kitty Monsk
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leiloni View Post
    For me personally it feels lazy and irritating when another healer does that. I'd much rather we both do your jobs so we can both output more dps. Let's shield/fairy/HOT people and get out our DOTs for more dps. It feels easier, smoother, and faster to me when the healers work together like that.
    Preference at this point. You both are right
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  6. #16
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    Ya I guess that makes sense. Like instead of spamming broil after applying dots a scholar can go out of cleric and let the white mage put up their dots too for instance? Aero > broil after all.

    Edit: Not sure why you decided to change your post to insult me.
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    Last edited by Ballooooon; 08-08-2015 at 05:41 AM.

  7. #17
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    Emil Lacroix
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    Tonberry
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    White Mage Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Ballooooon View Post
    Wait, if you can solo heal the fight yourself (I presume that's what you mean by "carry") then why wouldn't the other healer go full-time dps?
    Because there are some phases in certain instances that require two healers. Or there is an expectation that both healers will be actively healing at that point.

    I solo heal for my static, and coordinate with my other healer beforehand. I don't jump into DF and expect to solo heal, without any communication, because the other guy just cant be bothered. I don't know them, I don't particularly trust them or anyone else in the group of randoms to do their job in order to make solo healing efficient.

    It's almost always a healer that has worse gear than I do, or a WHM/AST when I am on SCH. In both cases, I should be fulltime DPSing if anything, not them. All the responsibility is shifted to me while they stand there putting up terrible dps numbers, so in effect they are being carried.
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  8. #18
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    Daiki Sejuro
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    1. lol i do that alot cause Stoneskin II cast time is blah so i can just throw a quick one on the two ppl who were watching the cut scenes.

    2. lol that's dumb but I am guilty of Medica 2 mainly cause its fun haha but also cause it never fails or it just seems like DPS just run into AOE telegraphs all the time and that saves me the time of switching to them and to keep focus on the tank....so medica 2 is kind of like my stupid blocker for some DPS.

    3. they must not have swift cast or just lazy or scared of the tank dying from a sudden attack lol.
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  9. #19
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    Indigo Lux
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    Paladin Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Rox_Unlimited View Post
    1., 2., 3. Dumb
    Quote Originally Posted by Lunaxia View Post
    Answer too long. Shorten it please.
    Shortened it.
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  10. #20
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    Thea Sitori
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aomine1992 View Post
    1. lol i do that alot cause Stoneskin II cast time is blah so i can just throw a quick one on the two ppl who were watching the cut scenes.
    Wait for all cutscenes to end -> Swiftcast+Stoneskin II. Problem Solved.

    If someone dies in the first minute of the fight, they deserve to tank the floor.

    Or just let the other healer handle it.
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