Astrologian is in a good position right now.

[DkDerek]

I am not sure where these make believe complaints are coming from. I see astrologians often in DF runs I join and they perform as well as scholar and white mage on my teams. We use one on our Savage team and so far no complaints yet.

I can almost guarantee you are terrible at the game.

[Cupcakesu]

I wish the Ignore List hid threads, too. :|

[Tint]

With a bit more experience under my belt more I think I can give my impression of the astrologian job.

The job plays real fluid and is both fun and powerful on Cree you get use to the job.we are not scholars that can stay in cleric stance longer not are we white mages that can burst heal to incredible levels on the demand. We are for the most part though complete and do not need any buffs.

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But overall the astrologian is FAR FAR from being underpowered and are easily strong enough to do all content in the game and provide a great deal of buffs to raid groups and I know if people will give the Astrologian job a chance they will find the Astrologian does carry its own weight in every dungeon and raid in this game.

i simply can't take you serious after you are telling all people in all topics how bad whm is and how much better sch is...

Alot of people are stating at how white mages are fine and bring the raw healing to the table in progression but is that really the issue? White mages are weaker on everything when compared to scholars and the only real draw back is stacking issues from other scholars with shields. I trully feel that the white mage needs a rework from its 1.0 days to make them relevant in 2.0 and beyond now.

Two people who I know who supposedly main white mages who have beaten all turns of Bahamut coils play scholars for 90% of the content that they farm now. The fact that scholar and white mages can can share almost all the healing gear in the game lets white mages get away from badly needing an overhaul because you can just go scholar to be a crutch.

SE had it right when they had bought gear on the left side for the high end currency being job specific.

... as example...

[mp-please]

i simply can't take you serious after you are telling all people in all topics how bad whm is and how much better sch is...

And then he changes for a bootleg version of white mage and defends how great it is.

[DawnSolaria]

Nooooooooooooooooooo

TL;DR: no.

[Vlady]

No. Just Astrologians overall are in a good spot. Minus cooldown and the original nerf to stance dancing our healing is strong enough to be slightly below white mage and above scholar where we should be. People want them to be as strong of a healer as white mage or to have stronger shields and even have them crit for double strength with is absurd. We are 5 potency behind white mage and even stronger single target in noc stance which is superb for emergancy recovery and not for higher sustained hps. That is why we need to be allowed to stance change somehow in battle.

[WingsOfAzrael]

our healing is strong enough to be slightly below white mage and above scholar where we should be.

im sorry what?

[HyperNovaX]

No. Just Astrologians overall are in a good spot. Minus cooldown and the original nerf to stance dancing our healing is strong enough to be slightly below white mage and above scholar where we should be. People want them to be as strong of a healer as white mage or to have stronger shields and even have them crit for double strength with is absurd. We are 5 potency behind white mage and even stronger single target in noc stance which is superb for emergancy recovery and not for higher sustained hps. That is why we need to be allowed to stance change somehow in battle.

Jesus christ... AST was never able to stance dance, EVER. Why won't you get it? Urgh actually no wonder you won't get it with these absurd posts of yours.. Every post is a guaranteed facepalm..

[Vlady]

Jesus christ... AST was never able to stance dance, EVER. Why won't you get it? Urgh actually no wonder you won't get it with these absurd posts of yours.. Every post is a guaranteed facepalm..

There are currently three healers and two raid spots, and in reality, AST is sitting in dead last by a marginal amount in terms of utility, healing, and meta game when compared to SCH/WHM. With the toolkit AST has, being essentially a direct copy of WHM/SCH just weaker with fewer cool downs, it relies on it's RNG utility buffs to make up for the difference; however, it falls far short of actually making up for the loss of DPS and cool downs due to the unreliable and potentially meaningless nature of cards. This is what is leading AST to be left out in progression groups ... Because it fails to compete/comply with the previous meta.

So, unless you consider "last" (and non-competitive) a good spot, then I suppose you'd be correct.

The level of your ignorance is beyond astounding. Of course there has to be a third place because they allow only two types of healers. To claim that invalidates the astrologian is poppycock because well the astrologian has performed in all levels of gameplay. Just because you expect them to have 5 more potency to be on par with white mages or have shields that rival scholar is silly at most and morbid brain damage at best.

How many times do I have to outline to you how incorrect this is? AST isn't stronger than WHM in single target healing while in Noct Stance. If anything, they're significantly lower in comparison to Dirunal due to HoTs. Stop looking at potency alone and claiming they heal the same amount; cool downs play a significant factor in why AST's healing is significantly lower than WHM's on single target or AoE.

Again ... AST was never able to sect dance. Stop saying this; it only makes you look more foolish. It was talked about in development but never made it into any public release (previews included, AFAIK). Also, AST healing being better than SCH is debatable at best.


Sect dancing would change nothing about how AST performs in the larger picture. Even when SE did mention Sect dancing, they said it would be on a very long cool down, which would significantly reduce the usefulness, given most situations you'd actually want to use it in. It would add complexity and more flavor/uniqueness to the class, but it wouldn't solve any of it's problems.

That is just a flat out misunderstanding of the job. If an astro could keep both regens up and swap to noc at will our aoe healing would be superior then white mage and emergency triage healing as strong as any healer combining noc shield + stronger Ben 2 along with two hots.

Ignorant? The early beta when Yoshida invited people who were bloggers and or writers for gaming websites had a sneak peak play they wrote on being able to swap stances with a cooldown. They had a cooldown on swapping stances in combat but then removed to be out of combat.

The hostility level of these forums is going beyond the absurd level.

The level of your ignorance is beyond astounding. Of course there has to be a third place because they allow only two types of healers. To claim that invalidates the astrologian is poppycock because well the astrologian has performed in all levels of gameplay. Just because you expect them to have 5 more potency to be on par with white mages or have shields that rival scholar is silly at most and morbid brain damage at best.

How many times do you have to realize that the up front healing of the astro in noc stance is better then white mage. In the long run white mage utilizing its cooldowns will blow the astrologian away yes but being able to perform emergency triage healing the astrologian has an extremely powerful aspected cast with a light speed ben 2 that can easily burst heal anyone to full. As you said HPS doesnt mean a thing its the ability of the job to be able to provide the healing necessary on demand which it does even considering the global cooldown.

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...me_translated/

Transcript of the mouth of the dev himself. Was originally set to stance dance but they said they would limit how many times you could change during combat. I can think of countless times I could have saved people if I could have gone from duirnal stance to nocturnal stance. Being able to weave regen and shields would be incredibly powerful.

[Mimilu]

Minus cooldown and the original nerf to stance dancing our healing is strong enough to be slightly below white mage and above scholar where we should be.

Until you realize that Scholars have:
1) Their fairies' Embrace, which adds a second, 300 potency heal to their own.
2) Lustrate, a single target heal with 600 potency that is usable up to 3 times in 60 seconds.
3) Indomitable an AoE heal with 400 potency that is usable up to 2 times in 60 seconds.
4) Emergency Tactics, which literally doubles Succor and Aldo's heal at the cost of having no shields.
5) Eos, who gives Scholars Whispering Dawn, a 100 potency, AoE regen, and Fey Illuminate, which increases all healing potency by 20%.
6) Rouse, which increases their pets heals' by 40% and makes them immune to several debuffs.

And that's not even going into the utility or DPS Scholars bring.
I love Astrologian, I really do (I'm freaking maining it right now) but I'm not going to act like it's a complete package because right now, it's half-baked.