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  1. #1
    Player
    Vlady's Avatar
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    Fomortis Vulen
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 60

    Astrologian is in a good position right now.

    With a bit more experience under my belt more I think I can give my impression of the astrologian job.

    The job plays real fluid and is both fun and powerful on Cree you get use to the job.we are not scholars that can stay in cleric stance longer not are we white mages that can burst heal to incredible levels on the demand. We are for the most part though complete and do not need any buffs.

    I am able to hold my own in all raids and on savage one so far.my static only raids 6 hours a week so our progression is going to be slower then some people the only issue left with this job is our kicked out of both stances once in combat, shuffle and out two near useless cooldown abilities. Collective and opposition are truly weak cooldowns that prevent us from dealing with major mistakes like the other two healers have cooldowns for. I hope they redo opposition to not be a near 3 minute (stun useless?) which is only useful for upping the ticks of duirnal or aether self buff. Collective Con forcing the Astrologian to pretty much do nothing for 18 seconds is something else that should be looked at.

    200 potency regen is not enough to warrant our job being froze for near 18 seconds. Maybe allow it to turn our aspected ben into a super powered version of our spells during the cooldown like a % bump in the shield while it is up or up the regen. Shuffle being able to draw the same card at once is another small issue the job faces. If they would retool shuffle to no longer pull the same card you just pulled it would immensely fix alot of the range issues tied to the draw mechanic.

    Opposition is a prime ability that should be reworked to let the astrologian trully shine on its advantage and that is its versatility. Being able to shift stances in mid combat would allow the Astrologian to respond to emergency issues that some people have issues with being our weakness.

    But overall the astrologian is FAR FAR from being underpowered and are easily strong enough to do all content in the game and provide a great deal of buffs to raid groups and I know if people will give the Astrologian job a chance they will find the Astrologian does carry its own weight in every dungeon and raid in this game.
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    Last edited by Vlady; 08-07-2015 at 09:41 PM.

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    YuiSasaki's Avatar
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    Yui Sasaki
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    Shiva
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 60
    I would not sign, that ASTs dont need any buffs, especially nocturnal, CO and the cards could need a buff/rework.

    Yet, I agree with you that AST is fun and can (by what I've healed by now) hold its own quite well.

    Edit: inb4 the hate :X
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    Akyio Tayin
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    Zodiark
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    Astrologian Lv 60
    Have you already gone and leveled SCH or WHM or both as people have suggested you, and experienced yourself the differences between older 2 healers and AST ? Or maybe at least kept an eye on how much more work your SCH or WHM partner is doing by AST in a team ?
    Or was the reason to create this thread to get even more attention on this forum by being the only one who finds AST fine ?
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    Yui Sasaki
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    Shiva
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Akyio View Post
    Have you already gone and leveled SCH or WHM or both as people have suggested you, and experienced yourself the differences between older 2 healers and AST ?
    Have you? Cuz I don't see a lv 60 SCH or WHM on your char :X
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    Player Sanguisio's Avatar
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    Sanguisio Alorea
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    Phoenix
    Main Class
    Goldsmith Lv 50
    AST vs content = fine manageable
    AST vs SCH/WHM = the fat kid in pe, has a chance but why would you.
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    Pillow Fluff
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    Phoenix
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 60
    I love the concept of the class, but the utility & healing it brings do not complement eachother to make it an efficient healer.

    The cards have absolutely no noticeable / meaningful impact on 8 man content, especially not in savage.

    That's pretty much it in my opinion. I'm not even going into healing numbers and all that, but what is (card system) supposed to make this class "different" is nowhere near what it should optimally be. In the end, all you are left are subpar heals, without providing anything special in the fight that would contribute to helping your team clear it and that is why you even lose the only thing you had as AST, uniqueness.

    If you like it where it is currently, good for you. The others, including me, who want to do high-end content, Savage 2 and above, beg to differ. I wanted to make it work and consider it as my new main, I really did, but it didn't happen due to the class having obvious limitations.
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    echoica's Avatar
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    Velvet Aurora
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    Phoenix
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    This thread, LOL. "It's in a good place, but but but" ... I guarantee your healing partner in savage is strained and working twice as hard because of your choice to waste their time on AST. I know this as a healer main with all 3 healing jobs levelled and doing all content. And as a WHM who was raiding with an AST for the first week. Just because they can doesn't make it ideal. That is not to say the job isn't fun to play, it is. But for real, get your head out of the sand already.
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    Eudyptes's Avatar
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    Summer Lebeau
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    Jenova
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by YuiSasaki View Post
    Have you? Cuz I don't see a lv 60 SCH or WHM on your char :X
    I have and I agree with Akyio. So pretend his words come from me.

    As for the thread itself, Vlady once again proves he has absolutely no idea what he's talking about and is just blindly defending AST. I'm not worried though, SE will be buffing AST in 3.1.
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    Xalvador Ysellian
    World
    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 90
    The main issue with Astrologian is that there's literally ZERO reason to bring it over whm and sch. The heals are subpar compared to whm, so there's not much of a reason to bring it over whm unless you wanna battle RNG and hopefully get some expanded balances. Nocturnal stance doesn't even compare to what scholar can do, and selene's buff has been proven to be more effective than getting a balance for every draw, so not much reason there either. I have solo healed Ravana Ex on AST and SCH, and the fact that it was tons easier on Scholar is a small example of how the job is weaker overall. On ast, I did overall less DPS than I did on scholar, and my mana was in a much better spot on scholar. I do want this job to get improved, and I do want to main it in the future, but when your own static won't let you bring it into A1S because they could tell how much weaker the job is, it shows that the job needs improvements.

    I apologize for the bad sentence structure, I'm bad with that ^^'
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    Roxas Andrade
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    Famfrit
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Vlady View Post
    The job plays real fluid and is both fun and powerful.
    I agree. As I'm leveling AST and practicing with it I feel I'm getting the hang of it. But I still think Asp.Benefic should be buffed. For diurnal, they should increase its potency (maybe lowering duration) while for nocturnal it should be better in a way I can't think of, as I don't play noct much (maybe converting it to a pure 500pot shield?)

    With the increased potency on AST's regen (extended with Time Dilation), I would feel more confortable to let the tank by himself for a bit while I cast a couple Dot's in a way I'm not so comfortable now. If AST's had a better shield, I would have more time to bring his HP up, compensating the lack of a fairy to help me with it... I'm really not sure about Noct, I think there's something missing but I can't explain what...

    I've seen a lot of suggested changes to CO and CU, but I can't give my opinion so strongly. I have to try them on harder content to know better. But I also think shuffle shouldn't allow the same card to be drawn and that spear should work on skills already on CD...
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