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  1. #61
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    Gyson Kincaid
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freyyy View Post
    This is the only right answer.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_wis...ars_would_ride

    ^ Pretty much where things stand at the moment where you realize it's time to break out a casting of Clemency, making "the only right answer" useless without a time machine. You can either sit there and play the blame game or you can try to save the run. Which do you think is the better choice?
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    Last edited by Gyson; 08-08-2015 at 02:45 AM.

  2. #62
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    Nymeria Faelivrin
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    Ultros
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    Paladin Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Einheri View Post
    Flash doesn't deal damage because it doesn't cost you mitigation. Warrior can't gen wrath stacks while spamming over power while paladin block shows its strength blocking all those little autoattacks in large pulls. So basically wars do damage and pld mitigate.
    it doesn't cost drk mitigation to put down salted earth or use any of its aoes unless you're a dummy and forget to use blood price and thus run out of mp which means you can't uh, use dark arts dark mind i guess?
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  3. #63
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    Adol Giantbane
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    Dark Knight Lv 60
    Flash should just get the blind skill by default so it's a useful cross class to DRK/WAR.

    PLD should get a shield spikes ability that reflects damage for better DPS (single target & AoE) while tanking (they're sorely lacking in both).
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  4. #64
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    Freyja Redgold
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Gyson View Post
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_wis...ars_would_ride

    ^ Pretty much where things stand at the moment where you realize it's time to break out a casting of Clemency, making "the only right answer" useless without a time machine. You can either sit there and play the blame game or you can try to save the run. Which do you think is the better choice?
    I didn't say you don't have to try to save the run. It's just that if you failed to save the run, the wipe is still the fault of the original person who provoked it in the first place.
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  5. #65
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    Nymeria Faelivrin
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    I don't even understand why people are so baffled by the idea that you could maybe make the flash blind inherent (gives it more use for WARs, maybe DRKs even) and make the trait, oh I dunno "adds 50 potency magic damage to flash". The sky wouldn't fall, you'd still do at best around half of the AoE DPS every other tank does, you couldn't even buff it with fight or flight because it'd be magic damage. And hell, why is Warrior the only tank with a TP management skill? Shield Swipe barely restores TP and is a DPS loss that can't be used as offtank, DRK -a magic tank- has to resort to spamming unmend to not run out of TP because their damage boost skill is an attack speed increase and thus an even faster TP burn. Warrior has free GCDs that cost nothing but stacks, for god's sake, they didn't need 200 extra TP every 60 seconds. Are the other tanks just designed to be completely useless without a ninja throwing their goad on them instead of, I dunno, a DPS?
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  6. #66
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    Quote Originally Posted by NFaelivrin View Post
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    The tooltip says nothing about shield swipe restoring TP.
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  7. #67
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cakekizy View Post
    The tooltip says nothing about shield swipe restoring TP.
    It costs 40 tp, so during that gcd you're spending less tp than your natural tp tick, hence, its a very minor tp restore when used.
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  8. #68
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    Quote Originally Posted by NFaelivrin View Post
    It costs 40 tp, so during that gcd you're spending less tp than your natural tp tick, hence, its a very minor tp restore when used.
    The restore is from Goad, not Shield Swipe. Senseless to claim Shield Swipe restores TP.
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  9. #69
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    Kaedrian Kaeng
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    Marauder Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Pr0c3ss0r View Post
    difference in DPS is not 20%~50% less. but more about 200% to 400% DMG less.
    These percents are so wrong. Have they changed the K-12 curriculum to move percentages from the 3rd grade to college level?
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    Last edited by KaedrianLiang; 08-08-2015 at 03:25 AM.

  10. #70
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cakekizy View Post
    The restore is from Goad, not Shield Swipe. Senseless to claim Shield Swipe restores TP.
    I don't think you understand what I'm talking about. I'm going to explain because I'm feeling nice.
    In battle, with no outside source of TP, you restore 60 TP every roughly 3 seconds, which is based on an internal server timer, which is the same used to DoTs and HoTs. This means that if you were to only spend 60 TP every 3 seconds, you'd be spending an exactly equal amount to what which you naturally regen, ergo, you'd remain at a stable quantity of TP over time. Weaponskills commonly cost 60 TP, on a GCD of 2.5 seconds of less, and thus slowly drain your TP as your natural TP regen can't keep up with your expenses. Shield Swipe is a weaponskill, on the GCD, with a cost of only 40 TP. What this means is that any time you're using Shield Swipe you're spending 2.5 seconds using less TP than you naturally regenerate in a similar amount of time. Ergo Shield Swipe constitutes a minor TP restore, or, if you will, a way of saving TP. If you don't want to accept this explanation I have nothing else for you as it is common knowledge and in fact its currently considered Shield Swipe's only genuine use, as the skill is a DPS loss in comparison to the potency from the combos you get at level 54 and 60.
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