Does PLD Feel Shafted?

[Faytte]

I leveled as a paladin and defeated ravana ex as one before swapping over to war as my main. Atm I enjoy it and dark knight equally but I doubt anyone can justify paladin in this content environment. They are a class built around physical damage now in a world of mixed damage types which war and dark do better in while providing better damage. And yes, clemency stinks.

[Gooner_iBluAirJGR]

in a world of mixed damage types

Lol let's not pretend like magical damage based fights didn't exist in the past.

Turn 2 ADS = Magic fight
Ifrit Suppuration (fire breath cleave) = Magic damage
Ramuh EX = He's a mothafuc*in wizard so = Magic Damage
Leviathan EX* = He's a mothafuc*in magical fish so = Magic Damage (I think his tail did attacks you can parry / block but I can't remember)

I'm sure the list goes on. My point is, paladins living and surviving in a world where magic damage is a thing has always been a thing.

#Clemency #Stoneskin #Sentinel

[Brannigan]

Paladin doesn't really have problems actually surviving magical damage. However, on fights with magical tank busters your cooldowns usually have to all be reserved for them just because of how they're timed out (outside of bulwark but that's a trash skill for tank busters anyway). The big problem I see with paladin right now actually has more to do with party wide damage, since there's a lot of it so far and it's pretty much all magic from what I can tell. Basically, you really really want to take a monk or a dark knight. Warrior always gets a spot, so if you don't have a monk then someone needs to put away the shield. Paladin on its own works fine for any boss, but party composition needs push it out. The lower tank stance DPS and high DPS requirements don't help, either.

As far as actual paladin issues (and not party composition issues), I think

1) Shield Swipe is really bad now. Potency is bad, you don't really save that much TP, pacify still doesn't work on anything. However, if it was great and paladin was balanced around it then paladin might be really bad on unblockable bosses.
2) Halone is actually kinda not great also. It's not quite as bad as Power Slash, but WAR and DRK both have higher potency and enmity modifiers on their hate combo, and they have passive damage boosters (dark side/maim). I always figured the potency difference for war/pld was because warrior had to do the maim combo, which of course has no enmity. Paladin has nearly the same ratio of hate:nonhate as warrior now, but Halone doesn't get stronger or anything with Goring Blade on.
3) Divine Veil cooldown is kinda high. If it was any shorter it might be overpowered with some party comps, though (war/pld/mnk/x)
4) The usual filler skills are still filler with extremely limited uses. They're usually great when the opportunity arises to use them, but there's too few opportunities.

[Blueskyy]

How is PLD lack?

In terms of EHPs PLD WAR and DRK are the same but Warriors are more difficult to heal back that's why they have self healing abilities like Equi
5000 dmg on tanks
PLD
16kHP - 4000dmg = 12,000hp (75%)

War
20khp(16000*1.25) - 5000dmg = 15,000hp (75%)

lets say whm heals 3k from cure

PLD
12k+3k=15k (93.75%)

War
15k+3.6k=18.6k (93%)

Even with defiance. Warrior still lose PLD in terms of heal back by 0.75%

While it's true that War have IB. But rmr, Ib only comes to war every 20sec for only 5sec (without infu) on theory. In truth it's only good for predictable burst dmg (and small heal back) with that said it's a VERY good CD, and should be used to it's maximum efficiency. In terms of sustainability, PLD still wins with 20% mitigation thro out and shield(for physical dmg and auto attacks) .

lets compare the Vengance VS sentinel you guys are talking about

PLD Sentinal 40% mitigation 180s (52% with shieldO)
16k-2.4k(5000*0.48) = 13600 (85%)
with Sentinel PLD mitigated 15.625% dmg


War Vengance 30% mitigation
20k(16k*1.25) - 3.5k(5k*0.7) = 16,500 (82.5%)
with vengance warrior mitigated 17.5% dmg

While Vengance looks like it'll mitigate more dmg VS sentinal. In the end PLD still wins because of shield oath from the start.

[Jhadzaan]

Really I think the issue isn't the endgame from what I've heard ingame. They seem to balance out. It's the leveling experience that is where they got shafted IMO. Seriously they need to swap the levels you get Sword Oath and Shield Oath.

[AcaciaTyrannia]

It does balance out. Paladin are superior in A1, A2 savage. It's people who sit around in green dungeon gear and never TOUCH savage that like to come to these forums and complain paladin is underpowered. You've not taken -any- job to it's limit at that point. Paladin are fine and the sooner people stop trying to blame the job for their short comings, the faster those same people can personally improve as players.

[Disc]

It does balance out. Paladin are superior in A1, A2 savage. It's people who sit around in green dungeon gear and never TOUCH savage that like to come to these forums and complain paladin is underpowered. You've not taken -any- job to it's limit at that point. Paladin are fine and the sooner people stop trying to blame the job for their short comings, the faster those same people can personally improve as players.

Superior in terms of damage mitigated, yes. Inferior in terms of damage dealt. Which is exactly what SE intended for them. Scrubs are upset because they want to think they could hang with the world first groups if only they did 100 more dps.

[SpookyGhost]

Superior in terms of damage mitigated, yes. Inferior in terms of damage dealt. Which is exactly what SE intended for them. Scrubs are upset because they want to think they could hang with the world first groups if only they did 100 more dps.

PLD is actually inferior in damage mitigated in A1 as well. :V

That said, PLD can do A1, A2, and A3 perfectly well - just won't output the same DPS as a DRK or WAR of equal skill. Which was only really relevant for the first 2 weeks, now that weapons are available there's no real excuse.

[Disc]

PLD is actually inferior in damage mitigated in A1 as well. :V

It's actually not. Overall damage taken is noticeably lower than what DRK will take due to how heavy his auto-attacks are. Plasma damage is also lower if DRK is spreading buffs out properly, even ignoring the fact that PLD will take 0 damage from the second.(Rampart/Sentinel/ShieldOath -61.6% PLD vs Grit/Shadowskin/DA+Dark Mind -55.2% DRK)

[Blueskyy]

It does balance out. Paladin are superior in A1, A2 savage. It's people who sit around in green dungeon gear and never TOUCH savage that like to come to these forums and complain paladin is underpowered. You've not taken -any- job to it's limit at that point. Paladin are fine and the sooner people stop trying to blame the job for their short comings, the faster those same people can personally improve as players.

Seriously agree with this, most people here who complained about PLD being underpowered are ones who dont even main pld or go end game raid. SInce 2.0 people who complian about pld are ones who go crystal tower at most as their raids. If they went t9 at least, they will know how strong pld are