Dissipation vs Divine Seal

[Lastelli]

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Do you have any experience in end game raid progression? Also, you've just ignored half of my comment.

Rouse + Whispering Dawn says hi

Bahamut Prime says hi.

as long as your max health exceeds the damage your going to take

You don't say! Let me quote myself: "it may very well be the ultimate mitigation in future end game content where you might save your LB for your dps instead of having your tank use it to survive the massive AoE SE will surely throw at us". In T13 you had to use the tank LB to survive the teraflare. A stronger shield might let your dps use the LB instead of using the tank LB3 to survive the AOE -> huge dps increase.

ONLY better if you rely on it and are fully prepared for it. Which you just shouldn't

What does this even mean? I'm talking about the potential of Dissipation and I proved that it has some nice uses. I can assure you it works very well in A1S: the boss jumps and there's a 30 seconds downtime...dissipation has a 30 seconds duration. Do you think this a coincidence? Of course it can be done in several ways, but combining the combo I suggested with a Divine Veil and/or a Sacred Soil will let your party survive even if you do not reach the safest spot. Your reply make no sense whatsoever.

i'd rather just Sacred Soil+Fey Illum+Succor then Rouse+Whispering Dawn for big AOE hits, as LONG as someone has 1 HP left the combo is much better

And then watch you party die at the next teraflare. There will be a next one, we all know it. Also, that combo wasn't even enough to counter the nerve cloud in T10 (again, I'm talking about progression, not about doing it with ilvl130 gear), you'd need a supervirus too and fey covenant. What does this mean? That SCH always had to maximize his damage reduction capacity. Dissipation simply takes it even further. Also, 3 "free" stacks of Aetherflow can save your party if for any reason you are out of AF and you really need that Sacred Soil / Indomitability.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Bahamut Prime says hi

Doing Turn 13 at level 60 with level 60 skills.

Dissipation simply takes it even further.

Dissipation did not exist at level 50. Your talking about old content, that content does not matter anymore. While we are at it we should talk about different games, since we are going off topic here.

Anyways, I am just laughing because your using a new ability for an old example of out-dated content. You can clear it with a few 60s. I think I even saw four people a bit ago do it. You can probably do it with even less.

[Yorumi]

I don't quite get the argument of using it for a bigger adlo. You can still adlo without dissipation. So it's a few hundred extra damage prevented. For that you want to be crippled for 30 seconds? Specially since your fairy alone could make up that difference no problem. SE isn't designing content for mandatory job inclusion so it really seems like it's just hunting for a problem.

[Lastelli]

It does not suck, it's just very situational. Think of the potential shield you could have if you use fey illumination->dissipation-> adlo+deployment tactics. This is a 3000+HP shield (8000+ if adlo crits considering the recent tweak to critical hit rate) and it may very well be the ultimate mitigation in future end game content where you might save your LB for your dps instead of having your tank use it to survive the massive AoE SE will surely throw at us. It can be used to increase your dps a little as well. Of course you don't want to use always use, in fact you'll probably use it once or twice in very specific situations, but it has potential. A 20% healing buff is a very big deal when applied to galvanize.

[Blessedbythesun]

Hi, you must have not touched savage Alexander yet, have you? I hate dissipation, but it has its use where it needs to be used.

[TheWaywardWind]

You're comparing apples to oranges here. Someone brings up mitigation and you delve right into talk about straight up healing and throughput.

Dissipaiton has its uses. It's extremely situational, sure, but all classes have situational skills. If you use Dissipation correctly, as others pointed out, you can mitigate a ridiculous amount of damage AND be able to put through a fair decent amount of solid healing with Emergency Tactics. Are there other options? Sure, there are other options, but you're not going to have nearly as much potential to mitigate other wise.

Also, you seem to be, you know, completely leaving out the second part of the skill, which is the fact that you get a full stack of Aetherflow, which you can mindlessly dump into whatever heal spamming moves you want.

Don't compare the potential of Scholar's mitigation to random throughput healing. 90% of the time, even in Raid content, you aren't going to need Whispering Dawn. Scholar's AoE healing sucks, even with that. You're supposed to leave it to your WHM or AST to solve that problem; Cure III and Medica II/Aspected Helios say hi. You should be using Selene for the DPS buff she brings.

[FoxyAreku]

Dissipation gives aetherflow stacks. That's all it needs to do honestly, good in a pinch.

[Lastelli]

So your suggesting that we will never, ever have to deal again with massive AoEs that will wipe the raid in 1 hit? This is what your saying, you know.

I don't quite get the argument of using it for a bigger adlo. You can still adlo without dissipation. So it's a few hundred extra damage prevented. For that you want to be crippled for 30 seconds? Specially since your fairy alone could make up that difference no problem. SE isn't designing content for mandatory job inclusion so it really seems like it's just hunting for a problem.

Again, I'm talking about the potential the skill has. Also, it will always be useful for jumps or emergency time when you need burst healing. And again, it is very situational, you might only need it a couple of times, but it still gives a lot of flexibility and let SCH use different approaches in dealing with mechanics. In the past we had to deal with mechanics that let the party with 100-200 HPs or times when the tank LB was a necessity to survive, no shield could save you. Now, IF using dissipate to strenghten you shields allowed to save that LB, well...that would be a big deal. DPS checks would become much easier. This still needs to be proved, who knows. Anyway, just saying "dissipation is useless" because it's "only" 20% while Divine Seal is 30% completely ignoring the rest of the Skills WHM and SCH have access to and ignoring half of its effect (namely the fact it gives you 3 Aetherflow stacks) is just...dumb. Incredibly dumb.

[Yorumi]

So your suggesting that we will never, ever have to deal again with massive AoEs that will wipe the raid in 1 hit? This is what your saying, you know?

If the few hundred extra damage absorbed is going to be required to save a raid then what does a whm and ast do? They don't require specific jobs in a raid. As I said you can adlo just fine without dissipation, and in theory sch isn't even required in a raid. Suggesting a situation to use a skill might maybe one time come up in one fight is the essence of hunting for a problem and suggests the skill is quite terrible.

[Lastelli]

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They'd just have the AST switch to SCH, like most parties are already doing because AST is so weak. This has already happened in the past....several times: jobs being left behind because there were more efficient alternatives. If a certain mechanic was designed with a specific Ilvl in mind so that the party would survive a big AoE, then a SCH could help overcome this a little earlier and this is important for those trying to get world/server first. After the required ilvl is achieved, everything becomes trivial and yes, Dissipation becomes useless...like every other healing CD.