New Optional Items avaible on Mogstation!

[Hyrist]

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Congrats on figuring out why people complain on forums. I'd give you a ghost costume as a reward, but I'd rather not pay $5 for it.

It'd be fruitless anyways seeming I have the item, cause I attended the events.

This just wreaks of people who complain cause they can't use an expired coupon.

And no, most complaints on this forum stem from a position of entitlement. Occasionally there's a valid concern in there, like an imbalance in a mechanic or progression. But most of it becomes "I want my instant gratification without paying more fore it or doing what I'm supposed to do! Gimmie!"

[Ayanno]

I will never cease being amazed at how many people gleefully defend being nickeled and dimed on top of paying a monthly subscription fee.

[LunaHoshino]

Everyone seems to be forgetting that the only reason some previous event items were available to purchase with gil the next year was to allow the people who hadn't played 1.x (which is where those items were originally from) a chance to obtain them. It was never meant to be a permanent thing, merely a chance to make the 1.x items available to the new 2.0 players.
AFAIK they never allowed you to purchase any of the event items created specifically for 2.0+ with gil later on. It was exclusive to the 1.x event items.

[Naunet]

Everyone seems to be forgetting that the only reason some previous event items were available to purchase with gil the next year was to allow the people who hadn't played 1.x (which is where those items were originally from) a chance to obtain them. It was never meant to be a permanent thing, merely a chance to make the 1.x items available to the new 2.0 players.
AFAIK they never allowed you to purchase any of the event items created specifically for 2.0+ with gil later on. It was exclusive to the 1.x event items.

I distinctly recall being able to purchase the first 2.0 summer bikinis on alts I didn't have when that holiday rolled around a second time. As far as I know, SE never said it wasn't meant to be a permanent thing. It was a clear design decision from the perspective of a player. All you're doing is trying to backtrack in justifying their really shady, f2p-style business tactic.

[LunaHoshino]

I distinctly recall being able to purchase the first 2.0 summer bikinis on alts I didn't have when that holiday rolled around a second time. As far as I know, SE never said it wasn't meant to be a permanent thing. It was a clear design decision from the perspective of a player. All you're doing is trying to backtrack in justifying their really shady, f2p-style business tactic.

I have no issues with spending a couple of bucks to be able to get an event item that I missed out on. With most of the games I've played that had events with exclusive items/cards/what have you, if you missed out, you missed out and that was it. There were no other chances to get the exclusive event rewards. The fact that FFXIV even makes them available at all is, to me, worth the $3 or $5.

[AlannahCorvaine]

As somebody who started playing a month after the original event ended, this makes me very happy.

[Hyrist]

*triggers*

I'm just kinda laughing at the people claim that "their subscriptions" pay for this content?

I'd like to see the internal financial documentation you have that leads you to come to that conclusion.

The money you give to Square Enix, goes to Square Enix. Then some, maybe, goes towards FFXIV development.

But it might go to FFXV. It might go to a *gasp* Mobile title! Oh the horror!

Sorry but you don't get to dictate how they spend the money you give them. You're not paying for the content. You're paying for the permission to play. So long as you approve of the content enough to subscribe, the rest is left to their discretion. Everything short of that is delusional.

Again, you are not SE's employers, you're their customers. You do not get to dictate how they spend their money, or where your money is going.

You CAN however, criticize updates to a service you are paying for. In which case, the proper argument would be that, as a service, you would like certain parts of that service to not be time limited to a singular occurrence of an event. They are entitled to disagree and not listen to you, or listen to you and change it. And you are entitled to unsubscribe or maintain your subscription. This is the nature of a business relationship. You do not own them. You debate your case in hopes to come to an agreement with them - but ultimately they dictate your value as a customer, while you dictate your personal value of their product.

You don't cross those streams. It doesn't work out and it makes the argument look foolish.

[Lyaha]

Optional item store is a kind way of saying "Filthy cash shop that doesn't belong in a P2P MMO".

[Daralii]

Optional item store is a kind way of saying "Filthy cash shop that doesn't belong in a P2P MMO".

It exists because people pay out the ass for the stuff on it. Morals, unfortunately, don't have much of a place in corporations; if the RoI is there and it isn't overtly illegal, you do it.

Square's profits were up 73% last quarter, so clearly it's working.

[Gunspec]

It exists because people pay out the ass for the stuff on it. Morals, unfortunately, don't have much of a place in corporations; if the RoI is there and it isn't overtly illegal, you do it.

Square's profits were up 73% last quarter, so clearly it's working.

Sorry, I bought a bunch of awesome Batman and Metal Gear play-arts figures last quarter, 72% was all me.

Seriously, Square is a huge company, you can't throw their total profits around to justify one business decision which clearly a lot of customers on this forum dislike. It makes money, but the opinion on it is about 50/50 here. As it continues to grow each year, it could come to color many people's opinions of the game. By 4.0, review sites may be describing FFXIV as being a p2p game with a larger optional clothing store in than any other mmo on the market.

And people in this thread say I don't understand businesses.

And no, most complaints on this forum stem from a position of entitlement. Occasionally there's a valid concern in there, like an imbalance in a mechanic or progression. But most of it becomes "I want my instant gratification without paying more fore it or doing what I'm supposed to do! Gimmie!"

"I want customers to pay more for a product without creating any extra content! Gimmie!" is how I see the mogstation coming into existence. And players complain on the forums in the hopes that Square makes things a little more their way, as you said earlier.

You are right that there is a lot of crazy demands made on the forums, from petitions that will do nothing, to people addressing threads with "yoshi-p read this". People need a bit more tact with how they discuss certain topics, and I myself go to an extreme at times.

But the monetizing of assets to this game is something everyone should be watching with a level of concern. The item shop is growing incredibly fast, mostly on the coattails of earlier successful seasonal events. There is no way this won't affect future development, but in what way? Will there be more new seasonal items than ever before? Or will new art assets show up in the item shop first, without being implemented in game? It's worth being nervous about, at this point, and strong player opinion might have some emphasis on future decisions.