Collective Unconcious

[Geardagas]

Common sense playing a game? Common sense would tell me to stop even attempting to defend against the wall of trash threads coming up against a job that is fantastic minus the nerf to stance dancing.

And I do not have to be a scholar or white mage to know what my current strength is compared to them because I can see myself side by side with them.

Yes, but you can't see how good your raid would be without you.

Man, do the ast fanboys have any substance to their claims? Like, at all?

[Galdous]

Yes, but you can't see how good your raid would be without you.

Man, do the ast fanboys have any substance to their claims? Like, at all?

Taking this a bit personal aren't you? You seem to be trolling and ridiculing every post that does not support you. It weakens your arguments.

[Ghishlain]

I did not say you did. I am confused as to why you are trying to put us into two camps as well. Pro Astro and Anti Astro? Is this a new page in your debate 101 to try to gain a new edge? And I have already gone into groups with people on my server who have whispered me wanting me to put up or shut up. I will gladly invite anyone to parse against training dummies and do a 5 minute run with and without my buffs in whatever scenario you wish to persue. And I have nothing against you since you have put up convincing arguments in the past that I have found turning my mind on some items in the past.

And in all honestly it is normally the job of the prosecutor to bring overwhelming evidence against those who are defending a job that does not need to be defended. Astro/Whitemage/Scholar bring there own strengths and the one thing people are not even mentioning is astro buffs will continue to scale exponentially while the scholar will only receive gradual increases in strength from gearflation. Our buff is a universal enhancing buff that scales incredibly well.

Vlady, I think most posters on this forum will agree with me - we as the healer community have given you overwhelming evidence about why you're wrong in your assessment about AST.

I'll just throw a few more out there.

Let's assume perfect RNG and say you pull Balance every single possible time. Other cards may give DPS increases but nothing is as direct and powerful as Balance.

Balance is 10% Damage Increase for 15s every 30 seconds. This averages out to about a 5% increase over the course of the entire fight. Say we liberally boost that value to 7.5% for other considerations like Time Dilation, Celestial Opposition, using Balance during a burst phase, etc.

Let's consider two quotes you've posted:

If you time balance just right it can improve a dragoons dps by 400 du ring it's run.

If Balance is a 7.5% DPS increase over the course of a run and that DPS got a 400 DPS boost during that time frame, that DRG would of have to be doing 5333 DPS during their burst phase.

Tell me... what DRG in the current ilvl can do 5333 DPS for 30 seconds in their burst phase?

along with arrow/balance/spear on my brother who plays a machinist he normally clocks another 150-160 dps through an entire run

If Balance is on average 7.5% DPS increase over the course of a run and that DPS got a 150-160 DPS boost, the MCN in question would need to be doing 2,000 to 2,133 over the course of the run.

Again, tell me, what MCN can consistently do 2,000 to 2,133 DPS?

Your move Vlady. Either put up or settle down and admit you're wrong. We don't need to be on your server for you to put out parse numbers and on top of that:

I truly would love to speak to these supposed double AST in Savage 2 and by luck I'm on Balmung so hit me up because I just do not see how even combined they can make up for the lost DPS I provide, let alone the mitigation, healing and buffs I can provide coupled with a WHM. Truly, I would LOVE to speak with them.

I think this poster is still waiting for a response from you, perhaps? I'd like to hear it from his side too if he has joined you for some testing.

[TatoRazzino]

Taking this a bit personal aren't you? You seem to be trolling and ridiculing every post that does not support you. It weakens your arguments.

He says "fanboys" have no claims, but he called me a liar for saying that I can use Synastry for preys in A1S. He didn't bring any evidence to support his claim that it was impossible, said I was playing a different game and whatever. He hasn't even done the fight (or is not paying attention to it) to know that the prey mechanics happen every 2 minutes, making it possible to use Synastry for every single one of them. He's just a troll, like a lot of others in this forum, trying to bash a job he's prolly too unskilled to play.

[Vlady]

Vlady, I think most posters on this forum will agree with me - we as the healer community have given you overwhelming evidence about why you're wrong in your assessment about AST.

I'll just throw a few more out there.

Let's assume perfect RNG and say you pull Balance every single possible time. Other cards may give DPS increases but nothing is as direct and powerful as Balance.

Balance is 10% Damage Increase for 15s every 30 seconds. This averages out to about a 5% increase over the course of the entire fight. Say we liberally boost that value to 7.5% for other considerations like Time Dilation, Celestial Opposition, using Balance during a burst phase, etc.

Let's consider two quotes you've posted:



If Balance is a 7.5% DPS increase over the course of a run and that DPS got a 400 DPS boost during that time frame, that DRG would of have to be doing 5333 DPS during their burst phase.

Tell me... what DRG in the current ilvl can do 5333 DPS for 30 seconds in their burst phase?



If Balance is on average 7.5% DPS increase over the course of a run and that DPS got a 150-160 DPS boost, the MCN in question would need to be doing 2,000 to 2,133 over the course of the run.

Again, tell me, what MCN can consistently do 2,000 to 2,133 DPS?

Your move Vlady. Either put up or settle down and admit you're wrong. We don't need to be on your server for you to put out parse numbers and on top of that:



I think this poster is still waiting for a response from you, perhaps? I'd like to hear it from his side too if he has joined you for some testing.

Making stuff up alone discredits you and you have argued intelligently in the past to resort to lowering yourself this much Ghis. Please stop while you have any street cred left please.

Double astro in savage 2? I never once said I know of any double astro teams in SAVAGE 2.? I think I am waiting for a response of where you are pulling this made up bs out of your ass.

Also I am starting to think there are cropping up people who are tired of this bs being spewed from the astro sucks threads and are starting to fight back. Oh wait. Go on the Japanese forum that so many people claim that JP is talking about how badly astro is in a bad spot. The original 300 pages of posts were from before the buffs astro's got a few weeks back. The rest post buff seem more around the astrologians artifact gear looks...

[Ghishlain]

Making stuff up alone discredits you and you have argued intelligently in the past to resort to lowering yourself this much Ghis. Please stop while you have any street cred left please.

Double astro in savage 2? I never once said I know of any double astro teams in SAVAGE 2.? I think I am waiting for a response of where you are pulling this made up bs out of your ass.

The poster in question probably misinterpreted this quote:

I double astro heal A1-A4 without issue all the time.

When he made his post. As you claiming to use double AST in Savage, and I know even you wouldn't consider that.

Even I know savage is not kind to double astro.

But hey, this is what you're good at. Avoiding the issue at hand by straw manning one very particular minor flaw in someone's argument. It still didn't change the fact he asked to go along with you to see your capabilities, now does it?

Try again, please. Please, post these parses you have of these Godly DPS increases. Hot potato is still in your hands, Vlady.

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Making stuff up alone discredits you . . .

. . .I think I am waiting for a response of where you are pulling this made up bs out of your ass.

You should probably look in a mirror.

[Vlady]

Oh hey. Since when is A1-A4 savage mode? No I would not use double astro for savage mode the same i wouldnt use double scholar either. Too much stepping on each other's toes. Still waiting for your answer when did I say I know of double astro in Savage? You seem to know I said a1-14 as normal but you oddly seem to echo the guy's question despite knowing I did not say that. You doubling down on your own false statement just blew your ability to argue about validity of any claim you make on astro strength.

[Ghishlain]

Oh hey. Since when is A1-A4 savage mode? No I would not use double astro for savage mode the same i wouldnt use double scholar either. Too much stepping on each other's toes. Still waiting for your answer when did I say I know of double astro in Savage? You seem to know I said a1-14 as normal but you oddly seem to echo the guy's question despite knowing I did not say that. You doubling down on your own false statement just blew your ability to argue about validity of any claim you make on astro strength.

So, when are you going to answer the rest of the post? *Taps ruler against palm impatiently* Oh, wait, never, because you won't - like how you've always dodged every issue and refute that has come against you.

You can only defend against the "obvious". You can only defend against the one minor flaw I left in my argument for you to actually STEP ON because you have no actual evidence or refute or counter to the rest of my post.

GG.

[Vlady]

Why did you even quote that when you know what I meant? You brought it up not me. Why do I have to answer what is obvious the answer is to you? Tit for tat much? No I also shot down a claim about the japanese forums are up in arms with how weak astrologians are supposedly.

Most of that was before the buffs. I also told you I am not a math numbers person so will not defend your napkin math when you would step all over me on that lol. You also do not factor in most dps are melee oriented and more then likely you will get either arrow/balance/spire which provides more then just a 7% when you actually parse enough to get an average.

[Whiteroom]

Why did you even quote that when you know what I meant? You brought it up not me. Why do I have to answer what is obvious the answer is to you? Tit for tat much?

TBH, you are avoiding the core of his post. The numbers. I'm actually quite interested to see them, since I have felt a bit underwhelmed by the cards until this point. Being able to increase someone's output by 400 is huge, like omfgastroisgreat!