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    Kelya Asura
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    I think when it comes down to the AST/SCH compo, it must be easier on non-AOE healing fights. The AST/SCH should be the better compo in term of DPS (Selene + cards) but since most of the time you end-up using Eos with an AST.... Don't know.

    On the other hand, the WHM/AST (diurnal) seems always better as long as you don't need the extra shields / the extra HP to survive. The raid AOE healing can be done by the WHM alone so AST can focus on tanks, some mechanics and dpsing. I think you would have killed it if one of you switched WHM, just the same way you switched SCH. I'm not saying it would have suddently started to be easier.

    But still, I play both AST & WHM and something is very lacking. I don't need more potency heals, I don't need more MP (only using Ewer since others jobs won't need it most of the time), but I need more "oh shit" buttons and I need to feel like my cards are more useful. Each time your Royal Road a card, you basically aren't using any card for 30s, added to the 30s needed to draw the RR card, it's 1 min without any card rolling... Each time you already have a RR buff and you draw a card that you don't need, it's useless and you need to click it off. Each time you want to use RR AOE effect and even Celestial opposition, you know there're a lot of chance you won't hit ALL the raid so you're not using the max of your job but you can't do anything against it. Each time you use Collective unconscious in diurnal... You feel weird because you will NEVER stay still and use the full duration of it, so once again you're not using your spells at the maximum, and that's the main issue I see on AST.
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    Blair Waldorf
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    Astrologian Lv 60
    I was doing A1S yesterday as WHM/AST and things went really well. Better than when I was playing SCH. I used Diurnal, and the extra Regen was amazing, since that fight doesn't require heavy shielding. The WHM dpsed before the second boss came out and we handled healing just fine after (there's no need to DPS when both oppressors are out, according to videos). There was this one time my WHM partner died from a lag spike and I raised him and solo healed until he got his MP back; we hit enrage, so it was a full recovery, with no consequent wipe (DPS check wasn't affected by the death, so...). The cards actually helped a lot. I used some on my MNK and at the end his oppressor had 10% less HP than the other. That shows that the cards are not underwhelming and that they can make a difference. I think that if they allowed AST to change stances during fights, a lot of the problems would go away.
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    Kayleen Fatesinger
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    Quote Originally Posted by TatoRazzino View Post
    I was doing A1S yesterday as WHM/AST and things went really well. Better than when I was playing SCH.
    It boggles my mind that you found WHM/AST smoother than WHM/SCH. I wish you had a vid of the fight from your pov with a parser... Id love to see how someone who seems completely at ease with the class performs in AS1
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kayleen View Post
    It boggles my mind that you found WHM/AST smoother than WHM/SCH. I wish you had a vid of the fight from your pov with a parser... Id love to see how someone who seems completely at ease with the class performs in AS1
    I found it easier because shielding that fight is too MP consuming. As a SCH, you're either gonna use ET to transform Succor into a big AoE healing (since Lustrate is highly needed in that fight) or burn MP too fast to shield all the incoming damage. As Diurnal AST you have another Regen (which SCH only has if he uses Eos, sacrificing his DPS support) and two AoE skills, one that is very similar to Medica II. That made things easier. However, I'm pretty sure that SCH/AST is a very tough combo and requires a lot of work from both healers.
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    Last edited by TatoRazzino; 08-06-2015 at 06:06 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TatoRazzino View Post
    I found it easier because shielding that fight is too MP consuming.
    I guess I still don't see it... sch/sch is superior to sch/ast but sch/whm is inferior to ast/whm?
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    Areku Foxfire
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    It's already too late for most of us. I've just resigned and only play AST for funzies in primals now.

    Even if they do buff it, most of us will already have our esoteric gear for a different healer (myself included with scholar), so we still won't get to play it.

    Just so disappointed. Wanted to main this class, but I can't justify playing what is easily the worst job in the game right now.

    I was like you, I actually didn't have much problem solo healing the first phase of A1S (though someone would die occassionally), but I'd be oom pretty quick in the second phase and keeping people topped felt impossible...just so sad.
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    Litner Lior
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    To be honest, from your story, it just screams of just you being more comfortable with AST rather than SCH.
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    Astrologian Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Litner View Post
    To be honest, from your story, it just screams of just you being more comfortable with AST rather than SCH.
    Probably. I'm a good SCH, according to people, and I can do a lot of DPS, but I'm more comfortable playing AST and WHM. I've adapted to AST healing style really well, so maybe it's just that.
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    Dawn Solaria
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    Mateus
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    Astrologian Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by TatoRazzino View Post
    Probably. I'm a good SCH, according to people, and I can do a lot of DPS, but I'm more comfortable playing AST and WHM. I've adapted to AST healing style really well, so maybe it's just that.
    Its hard to believe you are a good SCH (or any healer) when you don't even know SS stacks with Asylum. You should back up your seemingly fabricated raid story with some video evidence, and stop believing you are the best Astrologian ever.
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    Last edited by DawnSolaria; 08-07-2015 at 12:24 PM.

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