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    It's not inferior, it's just better for my group and for the strategy we were using. I'm pretty sure people can make WHM/SCH work (like they have been doing), so it's just about playstyle and what's better for your group. Sometimes, you just have to admit you're not skilled enough or not comfortable enough to do something. My WHM hates solo healing and likes to use the new DPS tools WHM got, so SCH is not a very good partner for him. He can pull a lot of DPS as a WHM and he just has more fun doing it that way. Since I don't like to DPS, it works pretty well for us to do WHM/AST. It's not gospel, just know that there are ways to make things work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TatoRazzino View Post
    Sometimes, you just have to admit you're not skilled enough or not comfortable enough to do something.
    I don't think it was a question of skill.. and as I said in the original post ive cleared all the content aside from AS1 on AST, so i'm pretty comfortable with the class. That said even though I had healed AS1 before it wasnt on an AST so there was a certain "learning" curve that I was faced with. This post wasnt about whether or not AST can do the content.. it's about how much of an inconvenience it is to a raid to bring one. We would have eventually killed it with me as an AST... I just didnt want to wipe more than we needed to.
    I'm glad someone has a positive outlook on the class.. and not everyone has forsaken it.
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    I think the main problem about A1S is how unforgiving it is with raid AoE damage. It's a place where WHM shines. I think we can compare A1S AST/SCH performance to Titan EX BLM performance, maybe? A lot of people switched from BLM to SMN or something else to clear that fight because it was harder to do it as a BLM (all the moving hurt its DPS). I believe that both AST/SCH have to work out new strategies, and the raid learning curve you mentioned for AST is real; it's always going to be easier to do new raid content with the healing duo we're all used to.
    And btw, I didn't say you're not skilled enough to use AST, but you're certainly not comfortable enough to use it in A1
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    Quote Originally Posted by TatoRazzino View Post
    I think the main problem about A1S is how unforgiving it is with raid AoE damage. It's a place where WHM shines.
    I find this interesting because both myself and my co healer prior to healing together had both co healed with a whm..and after last night we BOTH agreed that the sch/sch on AS1 trivialized all the healing mechanics and therefore was much smoother than sch/whm. Maybe we both healed with subpar whms but that's what we felt.
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    My WHM also has problems to deal with preys. I think it's their weakness in that fight, and it's something they need to overcome, since they only have Tetra to use as an emergency button (Bene is not good for that). But for everything else, it's amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TatoRazzino View Post
    My WHM also has problems to deal with preys.
    Do you not struggle just as much if not more with prey as an AST?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kayleen View Post
    Do you not struggle just as much if not more with prey as an AST?
    I don't struggle with it because I use Synastry during preys. The main challenge of that mechanic is not healing the prey target; if that was the case, spamming Benefic II/Cure II/Lustrate or even E. Dignity/Tetra (or even Bene) would solve the problem. The main issue is keeping your tank alive while healing the prey target and then topping the tank before the buster. Synastry makes it easy: I place Synastry on the tank and I focus healing the prey target; for every two heals I use on the prey target, my tank gets the equivalent of one heal, which is enough to keep him in a good spot for the buster. Then I just use Disable to take 10% out of the buster and I top the tank with Benefic II.
    In case my tank gets picked for prey, I use Synastry on the other tank and that helps my WHM partner; if I get picked for prey, my tank covers me (PLD ftw) and I use the same Synastry strategy that I'd use if he was chosen.
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    Do you live in magical christmas land? Do you play on a simulator? Are you and your guild made up of robots?

    You're speaking in theorycraft and not in real life.

    You do realize that the ridiculous cooldown of synastry is longer than 2 preys in A1, right? You act like you can just throw out synastries whenever you want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geardagas View Post
    You do realize that the ridiculous cooldown of synastry is longer than 2 preys in A1, right? You act like you can just throw out synastries whenever you want.
    I would just like to point out that in A1S, due to resin bomb drops during the jump phase, there is actually a two minute delay between Oppressor cycles (perfect for Synastry).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geardagas View Post
    Do you live in magical christmas land? Do you play on a simulator? Are you and your guild made up of robots?

    You're speaking in theorycraft and not in real life.

    You do realize that the ridiculous cooldown of synastry is longer than 2 preys in A1, right? You act like you can just throw out synastries whenever you want.
    Have you even done A1 Savage?
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