Oh god, DKs!

[technole]

Couple of things I'll add as a healer main that was leveling DRK, and plays tanks regularly even in raid content.

I will say the job in the hands of a "new tank" that is unprepared is probably the worst thing that can happen . Like if they never leveled GLD or MRD for cross-class skills, they don't have the smaller cooldowns like Convalenence and Bloodbath which you know as a healer can help a lot at lower levels.

DRK does start out with Dark Side skill buff, it adds 15% damage even while in grit. There is a skill rotation to keep regaining MP after getting aggro. If the DRK isn't keeping this up, that means they are doing puny damage to the mobs, and that means more healing for you. There is no reason not to keep this skill up at all times, if they don't they are not playing their job right. This is another contribution to "Why am I healing more?"

By Cutters Cry they should have Soul Eater combo, while under grit the damage they do under this will be regained as HP. Kind of like Warrior's Inner Beast. If they aren't using this skill as part of the dps combo, it's less potency and that means less heal.

So basically a good tanking/dps rotation can help the healers a lot as you can see here. Combine with the simple cooldowns from cross-class GLD/MRD and using DRK's cooldowns like Shadowskin for bigger pulls there really shouldn't be any difference with healing. I just think it comes down to these new tanks that have never played the role before, and/or don't have the cross-class skills, and/or don't have their rotations down to help mitigate damage.

[Yukariko]

check to see if they're in Vit gear,
through sheer numbers a bigger HP pool means they can take more hits before giving the healer a heart attack.

[Martin_Arcainess]

ohhh I see, pretty sure it did but just checked and now it doesn't. welp you learn something new everyday.

[bounddreamer]

I came for a Bismarck complaint post and was really disappointed

[pandabearcat]

I find that I take more damage on purpose because I can stay out of grit longer.

I find this to be a fair tradeoff. The point of healers is to heal, after all. As long as I am not making the healer panic I don't feel anything is wrong with being squishy.

99% of tanking is gear as well - if you don't have the armor you're going to get hit for a lot regardless.

Even if DRK had a shield that is less than 10% mitigation vs autoattacks...not even close to noticeable. And its cooldowns are almost identical to the ones PLD has.

So I would wager its

1. Undergeared.
2. Not using grit when he should
3. Personal bias.

NOT anything to do with DRK as a class.

[Zaresin]

I find that I take more damage on purpose because I can stay out of grit longer.

I find this to be a fair tradeoff. The point of healers is to heal, after all. As long as I am not making the healer panic I don't feel anything is wrong with being squishy.

99% of tanking is gear as well - if you don't have the armor you're going to get hit for a lot regardless.

Even if DRK had a shield that is less than 10% mitigation vs autoattacks...not even close to noticeable. And its cooldowns are almost identical to the ones PLD has.

So I would wager its

1. Undergeared.
2. Not using grit when he should
3. Personal bias.

NOT anything to do with DRK as a class.

With that mind set it would be ok to heal you in cleric stance. I'm still doing my job.

[pandabearcat]

With that mind set it would be ok to heal you in cleric stance. I'm still doing my job.

Sure, if cleric stance simply did 20% less healing.

Suck it up and heal your tank.

Unless they are literally dying faster than you can heal just view it as a challenge and a way to become a better healer.

There is no "right" or "wrong" way to tank - there is simply tradeoffs.

Is 30% more dps worth it for 20% more damage taken? The vast majority of the time, the answer is yes.

[Anshii]

Sure, if cleric stance simply did 20% less healing.

Suck it up and heal your tank.

Actually healers do much less healing in cleric stance as it swaps both their int and your mnd. So not only do they now have around 200 mnd, but the heal potency is also dropped 20%.

Unless they are literally dying faster than you can heal just view it as a challenge and a way to become a better healer.

It is a collaborative project. It is not just about becoming a better healer/dps/tank. It is about becoming a better team. If a tank pulls 2 groups of mobs and they do not use any cooldowns, have their tanking stance off, and this causes a wipe. It is not just because the healer is bad. They are part of a 4 man team clearing a dungeon. Working together is part of the game. If the tank refuses to turn on their tank stance and use cooldowns when pulling multiple groups then that is a detriment to the team as a whole and not working together. This will usually cause the party to dissolve rather quickly.

There is no "right" or "wrong" way to tank - there is simply tradeoffs.

There are correct and incorrect ways to tank. If a tank is not able to hold aggro when not in tank stance, then they are causing issues for the group. The same with rotating cooldowns so that the tank always have something going in to the next pull, or certain cooldowns for a specific boss fight that is next. The tanks job is to hold threat off of everyone else and be as survivable as possible. There is no reason be snide about being a tank, it is simply another role to assist with finishing a dungeon or trial or general task.

Is 30% more dps worth it for 20% more damage taken? The vast majority of the time, the answer is yes.

Grit does not just lower your damage by 20% and increase your mitigation to damage by 20%. It also increases your accuracy by 5% and also increasing your enmity gain. So you end up hurting yourself more by not being in grit. You make yourself take more healing which creates more enmity for the healer. If you are holding aggro off DPS classes without grit then they are either terribly undergeared or not trying to do damage. It is very similar to paladin tanking before you get shield oath, with the only difference being you have a shield oath and are not using it.

[GeekMatt]

The average DF DRK when levelling was undeniably squishier than the other two tanks for me after levelling PLD, then WHM and AST. They have lower physical mitigation so that's part of it I think, particularly when they try to do larger pulls they get bursted down much quicker than the other two tanks, and the only time I ever lost a tank due to my healing potencies just not being there was with a DRK in DPS accessories in The Aery on my AST, and he had only pulled 2 groups. With boss fights and such I didn't see nearly as much issue, but bossfights are usually less hectic on a healer than large trash pulls. Large pulls are the most heavy and constant physical damage.

I've said it before, watch their MP and their Darkside buff, because if they're losing those freuenty they're usually extra squishy players, which I suspect is just a sign of player ability.

[Azorius]

OP, it might be that your gear just needs a boost. What is your ilvl?