SE morally reprehensible behavior

[AnimaS]

I want people to fundamentally understand what SE has done with Heavensward, because once you boil it down to what Se's purpose in doing what they did insofar as the crafting system, you get to a grey area in morality wherein the people to whom you all subscribe are now literally torturing you... it is actually evil in my opinion.


Am i justified in calling this evil? You tell me. Apply the following abstract situation to what has happened here. You, a paying customer have invested countless and i mean countless hours across the span of perhaps years to gain the privilege to do something. Your employer has just told you verbatim everything you did is irrelevant and now you must start over for no reason.

Yes, this is what Square Enix did to you, the crafter, the gatherer etc.. they've taken all that mattered in FFXIV ARR and RESET it. It doesn't matter anymore what you did, or the amount of time you put in; we're going to reset it... and we're not going to give you a reason either. We can deduce the reason is actually a combination of various things from the fact that they [SE] simply did not want to make any crafted gear available (they even said this,) and basically they apparently believed they could sucker in the entire community of crafter/gatherers to go along with this without realizing they'd been duped and ripped off. The patch sort of proves that they still think very little of you.

To expand is to enlarge; SE apparently does not understand this. They took the opportunity of 'expansion' to give you a story and leveling process, a raid ...... and that's it. The other thing they did was RESET (this word should be sinking in) your crafter/gatherer progress. Is that even morally acceptable? well they didn't stop there..... they decided they want you to spend countless hours gathering stones and flowers (who came up with this?) to trade in for materials to make... gathering and crafting gear for the future?


That is where everything you've done in ARR became useless and you were reset to 0 , nothing but a leveling head-start at 50. That is a reset, that is taking everything you worked for and saying it simply doesn't matter anymore; now we have an alternative if you wish to continue crafting and gathering; you must have all your gatherer classes at 60 and all craft classes at 60; and you now must do this alternative. Hey.... tell me again is that not morally disgusting ?

[Thrustie]

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I'm not a big fan of the system in place now but I'm a bit puzzled that you're so upset about this. They increased the level cap and released an expansion. Everything became obsolete, more or less. Anyone who cleared t13 and had BiS or did the last stage of relic had their progress erased too. I'm surprised you thought crafters and gatherers should be exempt from this.

And to answer your question, no I don't find it disgusting. I think it's part and parcel of a level cap raise and I wouldn't want to be hanging around crafting 4 star stuff at level 60.

[AnimaS]

I'm not a big fan of the system in place now but I'm a bit puzzled that you're so upset about this. They increased the level cap and released an expansion. Everything became obsolete, more or less. Anyone who cleared t13 and had BiS or did the last stage of relic had their progress erased too. I'm surprised you thought crafters and gatherers should be exempt from this.

And to answer your question, no I don't find it disgusting. I think it's part and parcel of a level cap raise and I wouldn't want to be hanging around crafting 4 star stuff at level 60.

Already replied to you by separating combat classes from crafting and gathering. Thank You.

I'm surprised you think it's similar i have a level 60 Dragoon and Warrior, the gear I used was replaced with tomes and drops those COMBAT jobs are now functioning; the crafting gear is not. to replace that gear .... we must have all gatherers at 60, we must have all crafts at 60, we must gather virtually all day, first to get scrips then to use them, then to turn them in, then to craft 1 part of 8/8 crafters 3/3 gatherers. A bit different yes?

[Thrustie]

Your disgust seemed to be directed at the reset in your OP of which I have no issue with. I'm not perturbed that my previous master books and Lucis tools aren't relevant at 60.

If you're asking how I feel about the crafting/gathering system in place right now, that's a totally different question. I don't have an issue with timed gates. It takes pressure off me to spend like mad after a patch to be the first onto the market board hoping that I'll recoup my losses. So the concept of red scrips doesn't bother me. The implementation of it relative to gathering was a mess in my opinion but they're now making changes that will hopefully make the grind more reasonable. I do hope they give us some relevant recipes though so it's not just a hobby like triple trad or something though.

[Myrhn]

First serious question do you know about vertical progression? Is what this MMO and a bunch of other do. Other thing you dont need all DoH and all DoL max out. If you dont have a particular DOH class your can ask in the FC, LS, friend or hire a crafter to do that particual craft. As for the DoL is a bit complicate, you dont really need any DoL max but if you dont you might have to spend some gil to get the mats. Now if YOU dont want to spend any gil then yes maxing everything is the way to go.

[Dererk]

LOL thank you for this laugh OP.

On the off chance that your serious.

This is the way the game is sadly crafting and gathering are separate classes and not skilled based like in other mmos this means when new content gets released stuff has to go in to these things my opinion is too much thought is going in to crafter and gathering and not enough is going into open world end game content.

[Niamh_Rillemaugh]

Am i justified in calling this evil? You tell me. Apply the following abstract situation to what has happened here. You, a paying customer have invested countless and i mean countless hours across the span of perhaps years to gain the privilege to do something. Your employer has just told you verbatim everything you did is irrelevant and now you must start over for no reason.

It's cute that you think this "abstract" scenario totally doesn't happen all the time in the real world.

[Aeyis]

It's cute that you think this "abstract" scenario totally doesn't happen all the time in the real world.

I think it's very kawaii kunai that you think that this scenario in the real world is a good example of how it should be.

And people wonder why we don't get Dev replies...



But thanks for the melodrama.

I'm just saying, but the OP has called most of what is going on in the crafter world right now. And we do get dev (well community team, that's not technically the same, but whatever!) posts, they just dont usually post on their offical accounts.

You may want to take a breath if you're using words like "immoral" and "evil" when talking about loot in a game.

I think it's kind of refreshing to see someone actually just saying things how they are, instead of minding their words.
Also, this topic is not about loot in the game, its about the time you pay for with your subscription.


Altho I personally consider ''evil'' the wrong choice of words. After all that implies intent rather seemingly random decisions.
Perhaps, to take a note of SE's own lore; ''Chaotic'' would be more appropriate, yes?

[Niamh_Rillemaugh]

I think it's very kawaii kunai that you think that this scenario in the real world is a good example of how it should be.

Pfft, don't put words in my mouth. I think the example was poorly thought out.

[Aeolist]

Pfft, don't put words in my mouth. I think the example was poorly thought out.

"It's cute that you think this "abstract" scenario totally doesn't happen all the time in the real world"

All I get from this line is that you're saying that times when people are screwed over happens a lot in the real world. Poorly thought out or not, you didn't very clearly express it there, and that was not the core of OP's argument.