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[EdwinLi]

Edit: Wait, someone enjoyed the MCH questline? It was literally the worst job/class questline I've seen. It was boring and predictable as all hell.
Further, the entire argument that MCH puts brains entirely over brawn is purely a problem with the fact that MCH doesn't have a Class, and just a Job. Rogues are dashing chaotic good types, and they go into great detail about why they use knives compared to other weapons. You learn about most DoW's through their classes, that's where their martial capability comes from. Imagine if NIN never had the ROG questline, you'd never learn anything about their dagger-play, it would just be the ninjutsu.
That's the problem with MCH. There's some minor lip-service that a pirate taught you how to hold a gun, but that's really, really, really, lame. Every other job/class quest has the player be someone special. The MCH questline sort of has you as the best assistant to a guy that barely demonstrates he knows what he is doing. Him and his prospectometer can go screw themselves.

Sounds like the issue you have with MCH Job storyline is that you're no longer a special snowflake of the group. I enjoy the MCH Job story because it moves away from the "You're the most talent member of the Group" mentality that the other class/Job storyline seem to focus a part on in their Job storyline. It set the tone that the WoL is still a disciple learning about the Job and is helping build up the Machinist Job as fellow Machinist. Beyond being a WoL he or she is not special beyond their WoL powers and statues but is still a person like the rest of the Machinist Team.

Other Job story are fine but it starts to feel lacking when every other class/Job seems to place the WoL as the special snowflake of the class/guild.

[CosmicKirby]

@: EdwinLi
Yeah, that doesn't work for me when, constantly and without exception, I'm still the one doing all of their work for them.

You know how to make a player not feel special? Give them a challenge that they can't overcome, or put them in a situation where they have to be saved. Give me a Megaman X moment where I'm about to lose, but I'm then saved by a hero. Give me a situation that I can't solve until I become stronger. The MCH questline had none of this.

How in the world, is everyone in the guild completely clueless as to why the most liked and competent member just up, got married, and left? You're in Ishgard. Political underhanded schemes are the norm. WHY DID NO-ONE POSSIBLY THINK THAT HOUSE DZEMAEL WAS SCREWING THEM.

So until you show me that other NPCs are actually competent, I am the special snowflake. Until you can prove me otherwise that I'm not the best at my job, I clearly am.

[EdwinLi]

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You have to remember that in Ishgard it is also common for Commoner family attempt to have their daughter marry into the Noble House as a attempt to reach higher status as well.

Also they did suspect something was wrong due to her father disappearing but of course the Quest ended at the point where they have yet to find where he is and continues in the next quest after they have found his location.

It would be simple to suspect House Dzemael but in Ishgard all four houses are at each others throats so the other three houses are not above suspecion as well due to each house having their own corrupt noble as part of their family. The MCH Guildmaster did state after all that the current antagonist of MCH story is only one of the few Nobles that see the threat of Machinist to Ishgard society which implies there are other nobles in each House that are against the advancement of Machinists even among his own family.

Like Razor said part of MCH story follow Ishgard's society system which is a Game of Subterfuge among the nobles where anyone is a suspect and anything can be true or false.

While the story does make it obvious it is the Antagonist using his House influence in "the Game" placing such accusations without solid proof will only lead the action backfiring on them or end up acting in a way that would accuse the wrong person just like the real criminal wanted the Person to act.

Each of them acted accordingly to what is happening since they know the Game of Houses well enough to not just outright accuse House Dzemael due to it may be the other houses as well or a possibility it may be a member of the MCH guildmaster's own family.

The other members of the Machinist team did help as well even if it most of the time off scene. When the Machinist guild was being sabotaged the other members helped locate and stop the saberteurs which the WoL only had to deal with a small group due to the others helping. When the Dragons attacked each Machinist helped defend each turret location made each location defense possible due to their help, not to mention tracking down Joye's father was possible due to Stephanivian's House connection, and even on the final boss fight the Dragon was only taken down due to the other Machinist helping with defending the NPCs and attacking the Dragon. The WoL was only a part of the Team that helped in his or her own way.

(I'll just end my discussion about like or disliking the MCH Job storyline here since at this point we can only agree to disagree.)

nope nope nope nope. That "small time bomb" hits for 5k+ at level 60 when you're geared. MOAR EXPLOSIONS NAOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I DEMAND MORE EXPLOSIONS NAOWWWWWWWW

You could always ask that Goblin in Idyllshire siad....

"The Bigger the Boom.
The better the DOOM."
-Random Goblin

Of course SE doesn't want the Mini-Bomb to bring the DOOM.

[LineageRazor]

Edit: Wait, someone enjoyed the MCH questline? It was literally the worst job/class questline I've seen. It was boring and predictable as all hell.

While not my favorite, I enjoyed the MCH questline well enough. There was less focus on the WoL, sure, but honestly I've gotten a bit sick of being the wunderkind in every flippin' thing I try to do.

To me, the MCH questline was about classism in Ishgard not about being a brilliant savant gun-wizard (that honor goes to Joye). I loved the villian, who comes across as a smug, arrogant, classist bastard (and he IS one), but who is actually clever enough to realize that even if the guns are effective enough that even the grimiest of peasants can use them effectively against dragons, those same grimy peasants can also use them effectively against nobles and the knights who are working so hard to keep them grimy. The MCN guildmaster, on the other hand, is kind of an idealistic dope and doesn't see the wider picture as to just what sort of ugliness is likely to follow once the dragons are gone, and the oppressed citizens are still packin' heat.

It ties nicely into the Main Scenario with Hilda - one such grimy peasant whom you'll notice is a gun-wielder herself...

[EdwinLi]

The MCN guildmaster, on the other hand, is kind of an idealistic dope and doesn't see the wider picture as to just what sort of ugliness is likely to follow once the dragons are gone, and the oppressed citizens are still packin' heat.

It ties nicely into the Main Scenario with Hilda - one such grimy peasant whom you'll notice is a gun-wielder herself...

I think that is just the MCH guildmasters main issue when he is trying to be a leader. Yes without him the Machinist would not have become a DoW Job and remained a crafter Job but still his ideals to spread the use of Machinist talents often does blind him sometimes which other NPCs have stated as well and some even said so right at his face in the MCH Job storyline.

Guess the only thing we can do is hope for some character development in future MCH Job storyline with him before SE decides to have reality hit him in the future MCH Job storyline as SE's way to making him start Character developing.

[RiceisNice]

I think that is just the MCH guildmasters main issue when he is trying to be a leader. Yes without him the Machinist would not have become a DoW Job and remained a crafter Job but still his ideals to spread the use of Machinist talents often does blind him sometimes which other NPCs have stated as well and some even said so right at his face in the MCH Job storyline.

Guess the only thing we can do is hope for some character development in future MCH Job storyline with him before SE decides to have reality hit him in the future MCH Job storyline as SE's way to making him start Character developing.

Let's ignore the fact that the GM doesn't even right click with a gun ranged attack, but a goddamn melee wrench attack. All we can do with that is dismantle their physical damage :l

[EdwinLi]

Let's ignore the fact that the GM doesn't even right click with a gun ranged attack, but a goddamn melee wrench attack. All we can do with that is dismantle their physical damage :l

Bet the Wrench was the original Crafting tool for Machinist when it was a Crafting Class before 3.0

[Velhart]

How attachments originally looked:

[EdwinLi]

How attachments originally looked:

So the original was a laser sight mod and a barrel grip mod.

I actually like that laser sight mod look.

[FaileExperiment]

How attachments originally looked:

These are SOOOOOOOOO much better!