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  1. #11
    Player
    Catwho's Avatar
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    Katarh Mest
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    Lamia
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    Warrior Lv 100
    They won't see your build outright, but as soon as you start using abilities related to one build vs another, they'll know what you did.

    And if you're not getting new abilities from the builds, what is the point?
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  2. #12
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    Delmania Shadowstar
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    Diabolos
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Your attempt to discredit the illusion of choice counter is invalidated because it ignores the fact SE knows what will happen. They can just pull the data on merit points and sub jobs from FFXI.
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  3. #13
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    Delmania Shadowstar
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    Diabolos
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Also the claim that there are games out there that are balanced with customization is also false. We have job adjustments every update, throw in skills, they get more complicated. All of your arguments ignore the past experiences of game designers.
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  4. #14
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    Altanas Aidendale
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    Excalibur
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    Lancer Lv 70
    The best way to go would be Talent Trees:

    1) Make them respecable
    2) Make respecs free
    3) Allow us to respect anywhere not just at an inn or NPC
    4) Let us save "loadouts"

    This way you can set your loadout for each type of content for fun solo play or according to party needs/demands

    I like the way that APRGs and other MMOs (like WoW, SWTOR, ESO) go about this - in that there is a healthy mix of a variety of passives which tweak skills in certain ways. I think games like SWTOR actually got talents right when they pruned their whole talent system last year.
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  5. #15
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    Ven Black
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    Coeurl
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    If they did talents of any sort, let it not be trees.

    They were so annoying and unfun in wow that they got rid of them and replaced them with talent tiers, containing optional fun abilities that made slight alterations to your rotation/playstyle.

    In the old days of WoW, you'd google the best way to spec. If you didn't spec optimally, you wouldn't be getting a raid invite. The talent choices weren't even fun. "1% into spell haste or 1% into crit rate". I'd rather not see that come here.

    (I'd love it if every job had a viable dps specialization option though, it would make questing and open world content loads more easy. Cleric stance just doesn't do it.)
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  6. #16
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    Cynfael's Avatar
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    Sacrilege Moonshadow
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    Hyperion
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Averax View Post
    (I'd love it if every job had a viable dps specialization option though, it would make questing and open world content loads more easy. Cleric stance just doesn't do it.)
    Wait, what? Cleric Stance does great. If anything, healers have an advantage when it comes to most open world content. For example, being able to complete bills for lvl 59 hunts at lvl 50 without outside help and every cooldown and trick in the book is definitely a plus.
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  7. #17
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    Coeurl
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Cynfael View Post
    Wait, what? Cleric Stance does great. If anything, healers have an advantage when it comes to most open world content. For example, being able to complete bills for lvl 59 hunts at lvl 50 without outside help and every cooldown and trick in the book is definitely a plus.
    Astrologian attacks are a tad undertuned.

    Edit: Anyway, i'm talking about a full on dps option for healers/tanks.

    With a new full rotation and everything. Astrologian is currently my favorite job, and healing is fun, but I don't always feel like healing. You dig? Sometimes I just want to hit stuff as my astrologian, but I can't do that in a practical setting because the job is healing only.

    It's like priests in WoW. You could be Holy or Discipline (healer specs) but if you didn't feel like healing you could switch to Shadow (dps) and blow some things up.

    SMN/SCH already do this basically.
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    Last edited by Averax; 08-05-2015 at 05:02 AM.

  8. #18
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    Ashkendor Zahirr
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    Balmung
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Cynfael View Post
    Wait, what? Cleric Stance does great. If anything, healers have an advantage when it comes to most open world content. For example, being able to complete bills for lvl 59 hunts at lvl 50 without outside help and every cooldown and trick in the book is definitely a plus.
    Right? One of my favorite things to do while leveling Scholar was my daily hunts. DoT'ing up Chimeras in Azys Lla and kiting them around gleefully while my fairy kept me alive at around level 50-51 was epic fun. :3
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  9. #19
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    Sacrilege Moonshadow
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    Hyperion
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Averax View Post
    Astrologian attacks are a tad undertuned.

    Edit: Anyway, i'm talking about a full on dps option for healers/tanks.

    With a new full rotation and everything.
    Not a bad suggestion, but as far as AST goes, I think I just threw DoTs on things, stacked HoT on myself, and spammed Gravity until everything died. AST needs help with some things to be sure, but solo is fine.
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  10. #20
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    Krixus Blade
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    Sargatanas
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    Marauder Lv 50
    people cant handle clear cut this is the best rotation do it jobs...... you really want to give this sea of derps custimization? *shutters*
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