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  1. #171
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    Landric Frey
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilthas View Post
    Not only that, but you don't even need party content for people to want classes to be balanced, or else you'll get things like: "That Archer can kill X way faster than my Lancer", "Conjurers can keep themselves alive much easier than my Rogue", etc, etc.
    People complain about needing nerfs and buffs now, that kind of thing is always present. If this was a serious PVP game, I'd agree.

    With the addition of the three jobs with no class, I was hoping SE was axing the cross-class system for something better. Nope, still here, still useless, and still fodder for people to argue what job customization looks like. It's really the only game with the system in it that I don't like.
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  2. #172
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    Summoner Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by LandricFrey View Post
    People complain about needing nerfs and buffs now, that kind of thing is always present. If this was a serious PVP game, I'd agree.

    With the addition of the three jobs with no class, I was hoping SE was axing the cross-class system for something better. Nope, still here, still useless, and still fodder for people to argue what job customization looks like. It's really the only game with the system in it that I don't like.
    LOL. Removing it won't stop people from asking for customization.

    Go ahead, clone WoW more. Clone it all the way to the grave. Assuming the same rate of decline, FFXIV will die first before WoW given it's much smaller userbase - remember it's 4 million registered accounts, not active accounts.
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  3. #173
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bishop81 View Post
    LOL. Removing it won't stop people from asking for customization.

    Go ahead, clone WoW more. Clone it all the way to the grave. Assuming the same rate of decline, FFXIV will die first before WoW given it's much smaller userbase - remember it's 4 million registered accounts, not active accounts.
    I'm all for your idea, if it weren't obvious they are moving away from cross-class system. It's what's left of 1.0 where you could cross-class just about any skill. Since they seem to be moving away from it, I'd like some meaningful customization to replace it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LandricFrey View Post
    I'm all for your idea, if it weren't obvious they are moving away from cross-class system. It's what's left of 1.0 where you could cross-class just about any skill. Since they seem to be moving away from it, I'd like some meaningful customization to replace it.
    If the new skills (and gear) are well designed it will be meaningful.

    e.g.
    A skill on a 10 min CD that will heal you for 100% of max HP at the cost of 50% of your current MP and TP. A last resort skill for fights that went bad.
    Gear that regen ... 100 HP per 3 secs. Good for long fights should you choose to go with that strategy.
    ...

    The sky is the limit really.

    Remember, the new mobs will be designed with the skills in mind. No matter how OPed they seem, it won't be "easy".
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  5. #175
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    This has been previously answer. No. It's a waste of time. A waste of Development Time to create and maintain paths that are non-optimal for the job, and waste of players time who wind up ignoring the majority of these trees for whatever is optimal.

    This matter was closed years ago. Raising the argument again does nothing but be annoying. You're asking them to change a cornerstone of the game (read, a mountain of work) for no feasible gain (Content ultimately gets ignored).

    Given the retentive level of effort put into keeping old content active in this game - I would say an endeavor that forces you to choose to ignore part of its content for the benefit of the other is not a route SE will ever take.
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  6. #176
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    Quote Originally Posted by LandricFrey View Post
    People complain about needing nerfs and buffs now, that kind of thing is always present. If this was a serious PVP game, I'd agree.
    This isn't something that applies only to PVP. balance is important to PvE too, even when soloing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bishop81 View Post
    Go ahead, clone WoW more. Clone it all the way to the grave. Assuming the same rate of decline, FFXIV will die first before WoW given it's much smaller userbase - remember it's 4 million registered accounts, not active accounts.
    Always funny when something people don't like is "cloned from WoW". Making FFXIV an unbalanced mess won't suddenly make it a better game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bishop81 View Post
    LOL. Removing it won't stop people from asking for customization.

    Go ahead, clone WoW more. Clone it all the way to the grave. Assuming the same rate of decline, FFXIV will die first before WoW given it's much smaller userbase - remember it's 4 million registered accounts, not active accounts.

    This is funny...specially considering that WoW has talent/skill trees and set bonuses on gear and greater customization.....didnt know that even not having something from WoW made an MMORPG a WoW clone


    you say FFXIV is a WoW clone and yet all you ask for are stuff from WoW
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    I prefer distinctive jobs rather than what is being proposed here. Its been done before in many games and involves constant painful balancing
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  9. #179
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    Ra'fael Sohlo
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    Ah yes. Nothing like the smell of Chicken Little droppings in the morning. Oh damn, the sky is falling! FFXIV will die if a select few's desires aren't met! Oh me, oh my! Everyone quick! Build an ark! The world is ending because the Starbucks by my house didn't make me my grande triple frothy mochaccino with chocolate shavings! Starbucks is going to go bankrupt now!
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  10. #180
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    The idea isn't so much about different specs for the same role, say Dark Knight tank. But a spec where a Dark Knight turns into a DPS. Or Ninja turns into a tank.
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