Like red scrip was the problem...

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

You can`t fix it all by increasing or decreasing drop/turn in ratios/RNG... SE.

Sometimes you really need to stop, re-think what you have done, and move away from bad ideas. Is not the red scrip reward ratio what killed crafting (status after hotfix: still very very dead). Getting 25 or 50 red scrips doesn`t make a diference, maybe in time, but again, for the casual, midcore and even some hardcore players, they won`t go back or keep progressing in crafting, even if it was 450 red scrips per item, even without the weekly cap.

Honestly, you are not seeing the problem. Or if you do, you are totally ignoring it hoping we just "swallow" it.

The problem is not the turn ins, but the fact we are not having a progression system that rewards crafters and gatherers for what they do, but, just placing a completely uninspired weekly lookout in a pathetic attempt to kill omnicrafting. This is the complete opposite extreme of the masterbook II RNG based progression, just, with a timed gate instead an RNG one.

You need to find balance, you can`t RNG or time gate everything, when progression depends on random chance, or looks so far away it feels like you are not progressing at all, or looks like this red scrips, like very tight controled cheap experience, players stop having fun, this plagued the relic quest, this plagues raiding, and now the pest reached crafting. This is not fun anymore.

Honestly, this all feels like a very bad last week before the deadline idea of content for crafting in the expansion, the fact that every single item is just a recolored version of pre-existing items (and that the 1 star and 2 star gears are exactly the same thing with diferent numbers in the description)... Sounds like crafting wasn`t ready by 3.0, and in an attempt to deliver something, you guys killed the thing.

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QFT

What are red scrips used for? Gear, Favors, and Mats.

What are the problems? Gear, Favors, and Mats.

All this does is allow more people to get to the point where the real problems start occurring.

This changes almost nothing. You're just hitting the impossible roadblock even sooner. That's it.

As i did in this thread: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ith-red-scrips...

Imagine and high end fight which DPS-Healing check is so hard, even BiS characters doing perfect rotations can`t beat it. Does it solve the problem if SE increases the drop of tomestones to get raid gear? That`s what happening here.

[WellFooled]

I'm sure there are other problems, but I'm thrilled about increased Red scrips. I'd much rather not spend ten straight hours trying to cap my gathering scrips each week. By all means, offer suggestions on how to improve crafting, but I certainly won't be complaining about this change.

[DarthBuzzer]

I'm sure there are other problems, but I'm thrilled about increased Red scrips. I'd much rather not spend ten straight hours trying to cap my gathering scrips each week. By all means, offer suggestions on how to improve crafting, but I certainly won't be complaining about this change.

What are red scrips used for? Gear, Favors, and Mats.

What are the problems? Gear, Favors, and Mats.

All this does is allow more people to get to the point where the real problems start occurring.

This changes almost nothing. You're just hitting the impossible roadblock even sooner. That's it.

[Neophyte]

Why is gear a problem, especially for 'casuals'? It's 3 weeks for a mainhand, and you get your scribs in half the time than before.

Why should any 'casual' care about more? Why should any 'casual' have to gather favors 11h/week, if he don't need them @all, he should just gear up.

What we need are more recipes and mats that make it worth getting all this gear at all. Before 3.1 I'll get 1-3 items for my gatherers and the rest idk, maybe mats for me or mats for mb...

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

What are red scrips used for? Gear, Favors, and Mats.

What are the problems? Gear, Favors, and Mats.

All this does is allow more people to get to the point where the real problems start occurring.

This changes almost nothing. You're just hitting the impossible roadblock even sooner. That's it.

Thank you for the perfect resume xD!

[Rin_Kuroi]

It helps the gear problem a little bit. At least for me. Still needs some work.

[DarthBuzzer]

Why is gear a problem, especially for 'casuals'? It's 3 weeks for a mainhand, and you get your scribs in half the time than before.

Why should any 'casual' care about more?

Gear is a problem since it takes 66 weeks to get fully geared on all classes. You might say "Well, you're only supposed to gear up your specialist classes" Well if that's the case then why is omnicrafting needed more now than ever before? With daily turnins, you'd really want all classes levelled to choose the cheapest option for scrips and of course all Heavensward crafts require mats from a lot of other crafts.

[WellFooled]

All this does is allow more people to get to the point where the real problems start occurring.

This changes almost nothing. You're just hitting the impossible roadblock even sooner. That's it.

I see what you're saying. Crafting/gathering obviously has its problems. Getting the BiS gear in particular looks like one giant headache, but why be against a change that helps, even a little bit?

[uome]

If you craft the gears youre getting a small amount of craft/control/cp over the scrip gear...as in literally not enough to make a difference as you can already craft every possible item with a melded i150 set. I dont get why everyone needs the 170/180 gears so fast when we are a few months away from any recipe that will require the stats...

And just how long does it take to get your 3 specialists in full gear? You guessed it...a few months.

[Rin_Kuroi]

Gear is a problem since it takes 66 weeks to get fully geared on all classes. You might say "Well, you're only supposed to gear up your specialist classes" Well if that's the case then why is omnicrafting needed more now than ever before? With daily turnins, you'd really want all classes levelled to choose the cheapest option for scrips and of course all Heavensward crafts require mats from a lot of other crafts.

I know right. I cant speak for crafting but I need two gathering classes just so gearing up one gatherer isnt a nightmare.