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    Ossom Possom
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    Adamantoise
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    The problem was never the scrip turn in. It was literally, and I mean the denotation of literally, every single other aspect of crafting and gathering after you do the red scrips.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ossom View Post
    The problem was never the scrip turn in. It was literally, and I mean the denotation of literally, every single other aspect of crafting and gathering after you do the red scrips.
    Agreed. SE once again ignore the actual problem.
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    Coco Delouix
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    Zodiark
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ossom View Post
    The problem was never the scrip turn in.
    Don't agree at all. When you are faced with having to farm: (150 okeanis tails, 33 Abalathian rock salt) or (198 amphiptere skins, 330 aurum regis sand, 165 adamantite ore) or, indeed, be able to craft lv56+ mats from THREE other DoHs for your turn-in just to meet the weekly quota --> something is seriously wrong. How you can say it was never a problem astounds me. If you don't throw gil at the market board and actually put in the work to gather materials, then it's a huge amount of effort for very little return.

    I'm sure the advice will be, "Wait until it resets and pick a different item" but they are all pretty similar in terns of material requirements. Some even demand you farm and spend blue scrips on materials. It was and is a horrible system with no real point other than to force us all down a path of needlessly punitive "progression".
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    Last edited by Applesnap; 08-04-2015 at 11:01 PM.

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    Jagged Phoenix
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ossom View Post
    The problem was never the scrip turn in.
    Quote Originally Posted by scarebearz View Post
    Agreed. SE once again ignore the actual problem.
    If you go back and read the thread they responded to, about red scrips not being casual, cost was a big thing. This change helps with that quite a bit. This was an actual problem, even if it did not apply to everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rath View Post
    If you go back and read the thread they responded to, about red scrips not being casual, cost was a big thing. This change helps with that quite a bit. This was an actual problem, even if it did not apply to everyone.
    It is now a bit easier for casual crafter/gatherer's to gear up, but for what? They won't able able to afford 2* mats anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scarebearz View Post
    It is now a bit easier for casual crafter/gatherer's to gear up, but for what? They won't able able to afford 2* mats anyway.
    When a miner finishes getting his scrip gear...what is he going to do? Mine favors so he doesn't waste his scrips. A crafter gearing with red scrips will also be ready to craft whenever they decide to add new content. They get to do this bit by bit each week without feeling like they need to rush or miss out. There is nothing to miss out on currently, so they get to take their time.

    This lack of an immediate goal may suck for people that are usually at the top of crafting, but that group is the actual minority.
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    Kheima Rayne
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    Behemoth
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Rath View Post
    When a miner finishes getting his scrip gear...what is he going to do? Mine favors so he doesn't waste his scrips. A crafter gearing with red scrips will also be ready to craft whenever they decide to add new content. They get to do this bit by bit each week without feeling like they need to rush or miss out. There is nothing to miss out on currently, so they get to take their time.

    This lack of an immediate goal may suck for people that are usually at the top of crafting, but that group is the actual minority.
    this is the reason why they need to get rid of or find another use for favors item! There is NO reason a crafter should have to wait on gatherers to gear up in ordere to do their gear progression. Thats like having it set up here a healers cant start gearing till the tanks are finished gearing themselves. SE just do us a favor and remove favors from the game.
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    Marach Galthena
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    Thaumaturge Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Rath View Post
    This lack of an immediate goal may suck for people that are usually at the top of crafting, but that group is the actual minority.
    Getting all i180 on a miner would take 9 weeks. Tokens earned on 10th and 11th week would probably be saved to gather favor for OH, Belt and Accessories to save gil instead of buying crafted gears directly from MB. And to hire a crafter, that miner has to earn a good amount of gil to compensate on the service and the redscrip of crafting. And assuming, we all be casual without a need to rush anything, by 10th and 11th week, these 'casual' crafters will save the redscrip for themselves for i170 gears. So with the theory of yours, it would probably take 14 to 15th week to have a good amount of ooids and trade flowing in MB EXCEPT by then 3.1 is coming or is patched and the end-gears would probably be more obsolete that it is on 3.0. YES! Lets all be casuals and not whine because that would be the BEST!
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