Patch notes are up

[Talia_Hailwind]

People automatically assuming majority of the FFXIV community are trolls and will kick people for no reason other than 'lol just because.' It's basically the same gloom and doom people went crazy about with the Loot Master system.

FYI I got kicked as healer the other day when the tank sprinted ahead and got himself killed when I was equipping loot.

[ElHeggunte]

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Maybe so, but the biggest complaint was the time and effort required to cap for both crafting and gathering more so than the cap itself or any other issue and as Chrolo pointed out, that's the one SE understandably responded to and ran with. You should be pointing a finger at the people who (apparently) complained about the wrong thing instead of at SE for actually listening to players.

[Eye_Gore]

I've been vote kicked many times with no reason.

Every time I've seen a vote kick come up there is never a reason why, unless its someone who is doing nothing. Running Neverreap the other day at the first big pull in the middle of the tornados we wipe. I always chalk it to being my fault, I always lose sight of the AOE's. But then a vote kick is initiated, not for me but another player, no reason given. I could've sworn I voted no, but they got kicked, and then someone said "they were not putting out enough DPS". Though we had to eventually abandon it as no replacement came.

[Aeyis]

Maybe so, but the biggest complaint was the time and effort required to cap for both crafting and gathering more so than the cap itself or any other issue and as Chrolo pointed out, that's the one SE understandably responded to and ran with. You should be pointing a finger at the people who (apparently) complained about the wrong thing instead of at SE for actually listening to players.

I dont understand why you go out of your way to claim this. According to the entire crafting and gathering base this wasnt anywhere near the main problem? You seem 500% clueless on the topic, so why even bother to comment at all?


The biggest complaint was the time and effort required to actually craft items. Time that is of yet unchanged.


I hope that makes it clear for you.

[Ranzan]

Maybe so, but the biggest complaint was the time and effort required to cap for both crafting and gathering more so than the cap itself or any other issue and as Chrolo pointed out, that's the one SE understandably responded to and ran with. You should be pointing a finger at the people who (apparently) complained about the wrong thing instead of at SE for actually listening to players.

That was NOT the biggest complaint AT ALL. Hell that wasn't even the biggest complaint thread on red scripts. If they actually paid attention the item scarcity and why they are priced so damn high u would think they would fix that first. Cause we all know SE is all about anti gil buying but the ITEM ISSUE just screams RMT. They helped the gatherers but flipped the damn bird to crafters by NOT listening to the main con plant which is still the reason why these game world economies are stagnant.

[Reinha]

The duty finder change will not increase unjust kicks (people who like to kick for banter's sake are already doing so), but it will reduce trolls rejoining the same instance AND (if the penalty is not per instance but for re-queuing) get rid of kick beggers who want to circumvent the penalty. Sounds good to me! Just report unjust kicks like you would have before.

I think true unjust kicking is very rare anyway. Yes it can be frustrating to get a penalty if you're completely innocent, but I imagine that in most of the "unjust" cases there is a reason for the kick that the kicked person doesn't realise. Some possible reasons for kicking could be: making things harder for the group with knockback or pulling before tank etc, pulling extra mobs and wiping the group, trolling with encounter mechanics (like that guy who likes to eat all fruits in Aurum Vale), refusing to play the intended role for the class, playing so badly the group cannot progress, being cheeky or rude or spamming the chat with some nonsense. Or even just constantly falling back so you're not contributing or people have to wait for you. These all fall in the category of "playstyle differences" and are justified reasons to kick.

Consider this: out of all the ways you can make the dungeon hell to your team members, only being verbally rude is punishable! I don't think it's right in an MMO that someone can act like a total c*** and get away with with no penalty whatsoever and, in the case of tanks and healers, even get an instant queue pop right away.

[Gunspec]

Because people fear that groups will troll with votekick and lock out players from using duty finder again.
But it's probably just a "cant rejoin same party again" lockout, instead of a general duty finder lockout

But knowing SE, I wouldn't be surprised if prohibiting the player from joining a party means that they can't summon their chocobo.

[Drako]

It's obvious trolling since they also added a ''get 5 tokens instead of one'' option instead of allowing items from any vendor to be bought in any stack size.

Ya the update notes are a little misleading.

The following items can now be traded in multiple numbers at once to the Idyllshire NPC “scrip exchange”:
　Rowena’s token (red crafters’ scrip) / Rowena’s token (red gatherers’ scrip) / Rowena’s token (blue gatherers’ scrip)

I thought they were going to let us put in the amount we wanted? I mean I guess this is better then nothing, but it's not what is actually needed. And what about the other npcs that desperately need a change, like the GC npc, where you have to buy coke with single clicks 200+ times. If they make this same kind of change to GC vendor its going to get very cluttered imho.

[Nestama]

The duty finder change will not increase unjust kicks (people who like to kick for banter's sake are already doing so), but it will reduce trolls rejoining the same instance AND (if the penalty is not per instance but for re-queuing) get rid of kick beggers who want to circumvent the penalty. Sounds good to me! Just report unjust kicks like you would have before.

That's how I see it and why I don't see the problem. I've only been kicked once in the entirety of ARR's (and HW's now) life span and that one was kind of justified. I said I had one more attempt left in me, but instead of doing that one attempt, the WHM and I argued (they apparently disliked me for standing behind them, which made them move out of Titan's Landslide AoE if I was targeted... which then had them say I sucked at being a BLM, which unfortunately goaded me into arguing) and I was booted.

[SovereignAegis]

No AasT buffs again?