Please let BRDs use Empyrean Arrow and Iron Jaws outside of Wanderer's Minuet

[Liselsia]

Good players who use all of their toolkit properly. A concept most BRDs complaining about WM seem to not understand.

Basically. The conversation really isnt make to make BRD more flexible. Instead the discussion is "Make non-WM more optimal, and WM less optimal". Any one even semi seriously about bard will use the optimal way regardless of play style. Its inherently a selfish wish of wanting their playstyle to be the optimal one instead of current BRD.

[SlyRoyale]

Basically. The conversation really isnt make to make BRD more flexible. Instead the discussion is "Make non-WM more optimal, and WM less optimal". Any one even semi seriously about bard will use the optimal way regardless of play style. Its inherently a selfish wish of wanting their playstyle to be the optimal one instead of current BRD.

Couldn't have said it better myself. The majority of the complaining is all "ME!ME!ME!ME!ME!" while some BRDs like myself are thinking "How can I make this work for me so I can work with my party?" I'll gladly adapt a play style that will be a boon for everyone over wasting time whining about how I don't like how BRD currently plays (I don't mind it at all as I've taken it on without issue).

[WingsOfAzrael]

wm could use some changes but the majority of what it did like all the other classes in 3.0 was make it dynamic such as blms enochain, summoners aethertail attunement/stacks + new skills that cost aetherflow stacks, scholars new heals that for the most part take aetherflow stacks
skills being exclusive to wm is also like what other classes have, blm fire and blizzard 4 being locked behind enochain, most of the new skills for summoner being locked behind aetherflow stacks, so I disagree with this topic

[kumo21]

You could always just fire off EA, turn off WM, go pre-3.0 BRD for 15 secs, turn back on WM for EA and IJ, be in it for 15 secs, fire off EA and IJ > turn off WM. Repeat.

[Aiselia]

just because someone has an opinion doesn't mean they should force it down everyone's throats.

Everyone crying over WM needs to shut up or switch jobs.

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[StrejdaTom]

I think that Empyreal should stay only in WM, but Iron Jaws would really help a lot when stance dancing.

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Thats gold.

[SlyRoyale]

You were saying?

Beats having to put up with the "pls get rid of WM" whining, if you ask me. I'm not the one crying about the ability after all.

[Noira]

EA is to make up for the lack of auto attacks....

IJ outside of WM is just no.

The only valid complaint is ogcd clunkiness.

[Aiselia]

Beats having to put up with the "pls get rid of WM" whining, if you ask me. I'm not the one crying about the ability after all.

No, you're just the one crying about the crying about the ability.

The difference is that you have the ability to refrain from going into the threads if they bug you. Bards do not have the ability to refrain from going into WM without being drains on the rest of the party because their damage is now balanced around using WM.

[LionKing]

Brd players have the option to get better though. So "git good"