Loot system suggestions, thoughts, and your opinion!

[Sapphic]

1) The amount of data required for the "highest ilvl in given slot" is SUPER SMALL, AND only needs to update in VERY specific situations, not every 15s like our inventory is. So no, it would not add noticeable server stress and it would DEFINITELY not add DELAY, because that's NOT how delay works...

You forgot the part of checking every item slot in every retainer too.

2) It's NOT about me losing a roll! It's about making it fair. You ONLY need gear when it's an upgrade for your current job! In every other situation (desynth, glamour, alts, etc) you just want it, and thus you should GREED on it. It levels the playing field, it's taking away advantage from players that don't need the advantage.

It is already fair for everyone, if you are on the correct job, you can need it. If you aren't you can greed it.

Just because Glamor isn't "your" endgame, doesn't mean that others cannot have a different playstyle to yours and to them glamor is more important and the do need it. Present system is fair for all playstyles, your idea puts one playstyle above all others. Which is the definition of unfair.

But, it will never get implemented so your screaming and shouting at people that disagree with you is pointless, just like your idea

[sirDarts]

You forgot the part of checking every item slot in every retainer too.

That's the thing, you don't need to! You only change this number when the player gets an upgrade for the slot.
The only possible time where you would have to check the retainers' inventory is when the player discards or sells his highest ilvl item for the given slot/job. Which is an incredibly rare occurrence and doesn't happen during times where you need a fast response from the server anyways.

It is already fair for everyone, if you are on the correct job, you can need it. If you aren't you can greed it.

Just because Glamor isn't "your" endgame, doesn't mean that others cannot have a different playstyle to yours and to them glamor is more important and the do need it. Present system is fair for all playstyles, your idea puts one playstyle above all others. Which is the definition of unfair.

But, it will never get implemented so your screaming and shouting at people that disagree with you is pointless, just like your idea

So explain to me:
How is your glamour more valuable than my glamour for an alt (or even for my main but I get it while running the dungeon with my alt)?
How is your glamour more valuable than my upgrade for an alt?
How is your glamour more valuable than my desynth?
How is your glamour more valuable than my GC seals?
How is your glamour more valuable than my glamour if I want to get a caster robe for my DoW glam?

IMO it's not, all these cases have the SAME value. Hence why they should have the same chance of acquirement.


As for your "don't complaing, it won't change": If we don't complain, there is a 100% chance it won't change. Us complaining makes this chance lower, be it by 10%, 1% or 0.1%, it's still worth it.
If people wouldn't have complained during 1.x, this game would be DEAD by now.

[Waeksyn]

So explain to me:
How is your glamour more valuable than my glamour for an alt (or even for my main but I get it while running the dungeon with my alt)?
How is your glamour more valuable than my upgrade for an alt?
How is your glamour more valuable than my desynth?
How is your glamour more valuable than my GC seals?
How is your glamour more valuable than my glamour if I want to get a caster robe for my DoW glam?

IMO it's not, all these cases have the SAME value. Hence why they should have the same chance of acquirement.

You're absolutely right! All of these are equal and that is what the system does now. You can greed on anything. If you want to focus on a particular job for the drops, then go as that job. Same as everyone else.

You also have another option if the existing system seems so brutally unfair to you. Use PF and set it to greed only. I'm sure people will flock to join that share your view of the unfairness of the normal rule.

The existing method is perfect. No need for change. Move along, nothing to see here.

[Eidolon]

So explain to me:
How is your glamour more valuable than my glamour for an alt (or even for my main but I get it while running the dungeon with my alt)?
How is your glamour more valuable than my upgrade for an alt?
How is your glamour more valuable than my desynth?
How is your glamour more valuable than my GC seals?
How is your glamour more valuable than my glamour if I want to get a caster robe for my DoW glam?

IMO it's not, all these cases have the SAME value. Hence why they should have the same chance of acquirement.

No one ever said it is, but.


If you want glamor for an alt (or even for your main job but you get it while running the dungoun with your alt) - you should go as the job.
If you want glamor to upgrade your alt - you should go as the job.
[If you want the item for desynth - you should go as the job.
If you want the item for GC Seals - you should go as the job.
If you want to get a caster robe for your DoW glam (Which let's be fair is only pre-50 dungouns, post-50 gear you can't cross-glam like that) - You should go as the job.

So you're right. No one's denying you the opportunity to do any of these. You have the same value as anyone else.

but you need to go as the job to be entitled to that right.

[sirDarts]

You're absolutely right! All of these are equal and that is what the system does now. You can greed on anything. If you want to focus on a particular job for the drops, then go as that job. Same as everyone else.

The existing method is perfect. No need for change. Move along, nothing to see here.

That's the thing. I don't focus on it, and even if I did, I also run Leveling roulette with my alt, but it drops randomly.

And guess what most people also don't focus on the drops, they just need because they CAN, and that's the biggest problem.

[Waeksyn]

So if you're not focusing, then you have no specific goal in mind. Nonspecific drops are good for GC turn ins, etc. You will have the same chance as everyone if you need on whatever you can and greed on the rest. If everyone else does the same, then it's all fair - the chances of job specific drops are equal so the chances of getting a need are equal over the long run.

[Fahad]

I see two sentences that friends from the opposite opinion keep mentioning that kinda contradict each other :
"The current system gives everyone a fair chance"
and "I'll need on everything that drops" .
That's not what the system is for, that's exploiting a fair system, which is why I posted the suggestions. I also want to need on everything, I also want GC seals, I also want desynth. and since they all have the same value to YOU and ME since we are turning them to GC or breaking them anyways, why do YOU have the need ability and I don't.

which brings me again to one of my suggestions:
Priority: NEED if it's an upgrade for your current class---> it will prevent YOU from just needing on anything just because you match the class
Secondary: ALT NEED if its an upgrade for your ALT----> that's the added one that will prevent ME from just greeding on everything just because the button is there.
Tertiary: GREED: now that we took care of people who need it for an upgrade for current class and the people who need it for an upgrade for their alt class , all that's left are YOU and ME who want it for GC, glamour, desynth...etc, REGARDLESS of our class WE EQUALLY want it, so we should have same chance greeding on it.

THAT'S the point that I am trying to make, if we are BOTH not wanting the gear for an upgrade, then why do you get priority over me just because you match the class of the item? let's address the needs of people who really want an upgrade first, if those people are not present, then we have an equal chance you and me.

and can we please stop the "run pf if you really need that item" argument? I can use this argument for everything. If the current system is as my suggestion, and someone posted that they are tired of not getting the glamour piece because players who need it for upgrade always get it, I'm sure someone will reply and say "run pf if you really need that item".