Something need to be done about BAD DPS.

[Frederick22]

I just hope this long thread encourage a lot of "bad dps" to become become better or at least those who denied to being bad, now see the reality and understand their mistakes :/

[LunaHoshino]

That's it, majority do not care as long as content is getting cleared, the problems arise when content is not getting cleared and players want to know why.

This. The other day I ended up in Haukke with a lvl 30 MCH who had obviously just picked up the job and was still figuring it out. DPS was on the slow side because of it, yet no one said a word because we were still clearing things without problems. We didn't wipe; the dungeon just took a bit longer than it would have with a more experienced DPS.

People tend to be pretty chill unless the DPS is so bad that the dungeon is taking twice as long as it should, which I would say counts as being a legit issue.

[Sapphic]

More pages and pages of people complaining about bad dps players while using the duty finder, which was designed and exists to give everyone of all skill levels, access to content.

Hear this fallacy of an excuse too much. cross server party finders are to increase the pool of players for instanced content to facilitate players progressing through and clearing the content. same reason why there is levelling roulette and trials roulette to not stagnate the population in lower level dungeons and trials so those playing through have a bigger chance of completing the content and progressing through the game.

Just look how long ti could take to get into instanced content before cross server party finders became a thing in MMOs when the content is old. Hours if you were lucky. Days often.

I just hope this long thread encourage a lot of "bad dps" to become become better or at least those who denied to being bad, now see the reality and understand their mistakes :/

Shame most of them probably dont read the forums, just us regular hanger outers here XD

[Sapphic]

People tend to be pretty chill unless the DPS is so bad that the dungeon is taking twice as long as it should, which I would say counts as being a legit issue.

Like the other week, was in Aery and BLMs rotation was, wierd to say the least :P, so progress was slow. No one said anything till we got to Nidhogg, because the BLMs DPS was so low (totally ignored any friendly advice given about how to improve his DPS) we could not kill the adds before Nidhogg did his ultimate and wiped us, 4 tries later we had to replace the BLM otherwise would have ran out of time banging our head pointlessly against this. Got a 2nd BRD and kerpow!

Forgot to mention, BRD was using Foe Req to try and help DPS increase, but yeah, BLM was that low that it didnt help at all. I was on PLD at the time too. switched to sword oath for the adds to try and help also.

His rotation, which I'm pretty sure I remember correctly was. Fire 3 till empty then blizzard 3 till full. Thing is he was stood around for about 5 seconds between every cast, then when was out of mana due to fire 3 spam, he stood around upto 10-15 seconds waiting on mana before going to blizzard 3.

[Asierid]

I really like how all these "pro" players don't have anyone to play with...I wonder why??? If you are so hard core then get your own group and stay out of the DF/PF.

I have plenty of people to play with, kthx. If you squint a bit, you can see us a bit further ahead because we press more than two buttons and actually learn from mistakes and are willing to progress.

But hey, keep riding on the backs of others. Just remember to tuck your knees in.

[Sapphic]

I have plenty of people to play with, kthx. If you squint a bit, you can see us a bit further ahead because we press more than two buttons and actually learn from mistakes and are willing to progress.

But hey, keep riding on the backs of others. Just remember to tuck your knees in.

I laughed at that probably more than I should have XD

[RyuDragnier]

His rotation, which I'm pretty sure I remember correctly was. Fire 3 till empty then blizzard 3 till full. Thing is he was stood around for about 5 seconds between every cast, then when was out of mana due to fire 3 spam, he stood around upto 10-15 seconds waiting on mana before going to blizzard 3.

This really hurt to read. The DPS in that case was so bad that it could give cancer...and it's really surprising people don't figure out basics that you can figure out just with a little thinking.

Do more damage in Astral Fire 3.
Fire III gives instant full stacks.
Fire has a chance of Fire 3 procs that are insta-cast and no MP use.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out to Fire 3 just for the full stacks and then spam Fire (using procs when they come up) until out of MP...well, at least until you get Blizzard and Fire 4, at which point everything changes.

[Fenral]

I just hope this long thread encourage a lot of "bad dps" to become become better or at least those who denied to being bad, now see the reality and understand their mistakes :/

On the contrary, it's already made at least one person I know feel like he can't improve at all and shouldn't even bother, because he'll always be treated like a "baddie" no matter what he does. The irony being that he used to be one of the best summoners I knew (not that he ever cared about numbers), before constant exposure to this bile and filth made him feel like he wasn't good enough and he simply stopped caring.

Seriously, though. Discussions like this aren't good for anyone. You may be patting yourself on the back for the concern you show your fellow man, but so long as most of the people here use themselves as the baseline for how "good" players should perform, it's just a circlejerk.

[Ayuhra]

Look.

One problem I am seeing in this thread is you guys all talking about crappy DPS and how they hold you back and how DPS are lazy, bad, plague, cancer on the game etc. The issue here is you folks are good at the game so I'm gonna let you off the hook and provide the other half of this discussion.

*I* am crappy. I am the DPS you do not want to see. Sure, if I measure myself in dungeons I usually am doing the most damage but when I mess up I mess up badly and cripple myself. There is a reason I don't do group content anymore. When I play well I do very well indeed but when I am bad I am awful. The way I see it some of the issues are as follows:

1. Rotations in this game aren't just complex some of them seem to be purposefully convoluted and over long. As I mentioned earlier I have tiny hands, no Razer Naga and a slight nerve disorder. This has never held me back in any other game, even twitch reflex ones (I can handle games like Devil May Cry just fine even at high difficulty settings). I was able to participate at high levels of play in World of WarCraft, Elder Scrolls Online and Guild Wars II but I don't see that happening here. Why is it I can handle Mythic Garrosh Hellscream but Cuff of the Father makes me stumble at times?
2. The rotations are complicated AND the game itself does not tell you how to do them. You have to research it. This is true in other MMOs as well but a poorly executed rotation in most games can be quickly rectified. You mess up in FFXIV you might eat 20-30 seconds of extremely low damage.
3. The lack of parsers means even those DPS who DO want to improve have no reliable tool with which to do it. I parse myself in dungeons but I play fullscreen (windowed makes the game crash) so I can't watch a live log of my damage. That makes it very hard to learn how to fix things on the fly.
4. Get screamed at enough and some DPS do legitimately stop caring. They lose hope and confidence. I am not talking about the times someone gets a tip for improving, btw. I'm talking "you are awful, stop playing, you are holding everyone back you baddie" and similar comments that lack any sort of constructive criticism.

What can be done for this? Class quests would be a great way to teach people rotations for starters and let them start putting it to muscle memory before doing endgame content. If we can't get the tools to actively measure ourselves something like this is, quite literally, the least SE could do.

[LunaHoshino]

On the contrary, it's already made at least one person I know feel like he can't improve at all and shouldn't even bother, because he'll always be treated like a "baddie" no matter what he does.

This is simply false. I have played DPS exclusively for a year, I run multiple things in DF every day, and I have experienced a grand total of two disparaging comments about my DPS ever-- one of which was at least somewhat deserved and the other was a poor DPS trying to blame everyone else for a wipe. You get the LEAST crap flung at you when playing DPS; I see ten times the abuse hurled at tanks and healers on a regular basis than I ever have at DPS.

I have been in dungeons and trials with DRGs who let Heavy Thrust drop off for upwards of 10 seconds, BRDs who never used Venomous Bite, and SMNs who didn't multi-DoT. Not one word was said by anyone in any of those situations save for the DRG, and in that case it was me who called them out because we failed the AK HM DPS check because of it.

Are there some people who may get salty about DPS? Sure. But those are usually the people who would get salty about anything they perceived to be going less than perfectly. Just the other day I had a tank get impatient with a SCH who wanted to fix their hotbar.

You can get away with a lot more as a DPS than you can as a tank or healer, and that is why as a DPS I feel it is only fair that people be able to call out DPS who are performing exceptionally poorly. Tanks and healers don't get a free pass and we shouldn't either.