This is absolutely ridiculous (DPS CHECK RANT)

[Malevicton]

or to completely drop them, say "you suck at your job", and exclude

Yeah thank goodness that's impossible right now :P

[Twilite]

Straight up - the day the implement an official parser, is the day I quit the game. You can be lol sure I will not come back.

[Nekodar]

Something that would help is an official parser. That way we could tell who is messin up and where and help them improve ; ;

In theory...
Everyone knows how it would be used in practice though.

The OP could just tell his party members that they don't do enough dps and should check their rotations with a guide. No need to point out anyone specific, but just tell it to everyone.
Not passing dps check is a clear enough indicator that the total party dps is insufficient, and that should be enough to indicate to everyone to look over their contribution.

[Zaekath]

The OP could just tell his party members that they don't do enough dps and should check their rotations with a guide. No need to point out anyone specific, but just tell it to everyone.
Not passing dps check is a clear enough indicator that the total party dps is insufficient, and that should be enough to indicate to everyone to look over their contribution.

That is not at all helpful though. In your mind, the best thing to do would be to avoid any way of figuring out who the actual problem is, and just continually replace 4 random DPS with 4 other random DPS, until you finally get a combination that works, rather than just replacing the 1-2 people who don't know what they're doing?

[Sylve]

That still doesn't excuse the sub 500 DPS I see people doing, at ilvl 175+ mind you.

My first Bismark EX clear had 2 Bards, NIN and DRG. I was at 490, Other Bard was 470. DRG was 550 and NIN wasn't running anything to check himself.

The real problem with Bismark is everyone has a different strategy to beat it. When i did my clear, we tried no less than 9 different strategems before we settled on the one that gave us the clear.
Sub 500 dps is perfectly fine for clearing it, as long as you are all on the same page regarding which strategy you're using.

To give you an example of what i mean, Some people will let the first back phase repeat 3 times to get LB3 for Snakes. They use the LB to burn the snakes and then move to final phase.
However, You can also super burn the first back phase and then hit the Snakes as hard as you possibly can and using LB1 in case you fall short.

Whats more helpful than a parser is you telling us specifically which parts you're failing at. Is it first back phase that you cant break? Are the snakes giving you trouble? Are you clearing the final phase adds in the correct order?

Most importantly, did you even bother to let your party know which strategy you intending to use? If 2 DPS think you're going for LB3 before second phase and 2 DPS think you want them to fully burn the first phase in one shot, you're going to have problems.

[Colorful]

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I was leading the party, so yes I made everything as clear as possible. As far as I'm aware you need about 3000 global DPS to clear the fight, so I'm not quite sure how you cleared unless the healers and tanks were pulling decent DPS. I've never been a group that's needing LB3 for the snakes, we did it with none for the most part, used it if I felt we weren't going to clear in time. It's the 3rd phase that gives parties the most trouble. I tell the party the 4 people who are marked go in first, then marked second, etc "Marked -> Unmarked -> Marked -> Unmarked, and so on". If people finally learn the difference between the shower and rain weather, either 1 or 2 people end up jumping on the back (I've had 3, in a party once) and let the add just smash the island doing huge amounts of damage it. I've tried several different orders with the adds, mostly the big guy, guy next to the big guy and then the small ranged one. These should be down before or shortly after Bismarck lands and group one starts DPSing his back, but the DPS is too low... or some decide to jump on even if it's not their turn.

I've just about given up on this fight until it's nerfed, over 30 hours spent on it at least with many different parties, and each one we begin from the start. Having to reteach each one the strategy, watching them go through the same mistakes isn't pleasant I'll say. Not like the Ravana weapons matter at this point anyway.

[Zaekath]

My first Bismark EX clear had 2 Bards, NIN and DRG. I was at 490, Other Bard was 470. DRG was 550 and NIN wasn't running anything to check himself.

I legitimately have no idea how you cleared it with everyone doing such low DPS.

To answer your questions about strategies though, every group I've ever tried to do it with uses this strategy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77Ec06ovKtw

I wasn't aware people did it other ways, but I've had numerous pulls where we run out of island HP, so I can't imagine how you would do the fight without having a LB for the final phase.

[Sylve]

or some decide to jump on even if it's not their turn.

See we did something different here, so this line confused me a bit. We never needed to 'take turns' with who was on the back.
We had all 4 DPS on the back for every phase.Tanks were left to finish off the final add and to join in on the back if they got their add down in time (We DDs left any and all DoTs ticking, as well as continued nuking them while waiting for the animation to end so we could get on) so tanks only ever had to chew through 25~% or so of the last adds HP.
Dunno what we did differently than you, but our debuffs were ending a second or two after the back became available. 3 shots at the back with LB3 on the third and we cleared it.

I legitimately have no idea how you cleared it with everyone doing such low DPS.

To answer your questions about strategies though, every group I've ever tried to do it with uses this strategy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77Ec06ovKtw

I wasn't aware people did it other ways, but I've had numerous pulls where we run out of island HP, so I can't imagine how you would do the fight without having a LB for the final phase.

What we ended up doing was pretty much all of MTQs strategy. We just wanted to see what other ways we could do it. Gotta remember that not all people will watch the same videos.

Who knows why our DPS was enough. We got the clear, so it obviously worked.

[Kiara1]

I like dps checks. I always do verything I can in dungeons to deal as much damage as possible. But its kinda pointless in dungeons so its nice that some encounters actually requires me to do what I always do.

I do agree with you that we need a personal parser so the people who arent doing well can see they are the problem so they will either
1. Work on their rotation read what their skills actually do
2. Not join EX primals because they understand they are the problem

[Colorful]

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Attempting it with everyone on the back will leave at least one mob alive with a few group's low DPS, and that'll kill the island too fast. I'm not sure if you're actually telling me you managed it with everyone on the island with that low DPS, unless the tanks were doing exceptional DPS on their own. =l

I'll try it later today I guess...