This is absolutely ridiculous (DPS CHECK RANT)

[Gardes]

No I avoid pugging at all.

This is what no/anti parsing promotes. Making decent players feel like they're restricted to their little circles to get anything done. Majority that will be left in the free roam are the bad players and they'll just keep failing together and not knowing they're making themselves fail. It just makes for a lame experience for everyone involved. How is this not just as much an unsub encouragement as a parser existing?

How is having a parser around and rooting out the bad players who adamantly refuse to be able to play up to the minimum required to pass and win and letting them unsub a bad thing? Letting them stick around and encouraging to ignore their ignorance is good for the community somehow? How? Explain this to me without making yourself sound like SE's shill.

[Whiteroom]

This is what no/anti parsing promotes. Making decent players feel like they're restricted to their little circles to get anything done. Majority that will be left in the free roam are the bad players and they'll just keep failing together and not knowing they're making themselves fail. It just makes for a lame experience for everyone involved. How is this not just as much an unsub encouragement as a parser existing?

How is having a parser around and rooting out the bad players who adamantly refuse to be able to play up to the minimum required to pass and win and letting them unsub a bad thing? Letting them stick around and encouraging to ignore their ignorance is good for the community somehow? How? Explain this to me without making yourself sound like SE's shill.

Because everyone gets to share the same frustration when wiping. Instead of one or two realizing they need to up their game a bit!

[SarcasmMisser]

This is what no/anti parsing promotes. Making decent players feel like they're restricted to their little circles to get anything done. Majority that will be left in the free roam are the bad players and they'll just keep failing together and not knowing they're making themselves fail. It just makes for a lame experience for everyone involved. How is this not just as much an unsub encouragement as a parser existing?

How is having a parser around and rooting out the bad players who adamantly refuse to be able to play up to the minimum required to pass and win and letting them unsub a bad thing? Letting them stick around and encouraging to ignore their ignorance is good for the community somehow? How? Explain this to me without making yourself sound like SE's shill.

I dunno man but according to the above poster the feelings of people who cannot press buttons to save their life are more important than the quality of pugs when it comes to retaining players.

Edit: the poster above yours.

[bbkkristian]

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Look, I'm against subjugating and categorizing people. Its not my thing at all, and I've been on the internet to know that its not a friendly place. Parsers give more ammunition to jerk players. And I dont like that. I've been mistreated too many times in this game alone. Would parsers help equal out the playing field between the top and the casuals? From what I'm seeing is yes.

_|___________ this is the line currently, with the top players and everyone else.

what parsers would do:
_____|_______ help bring people to complete the content, but by putting targets on individuals who aren't experienced enough or are still learning.

Look, i'm not being SE's shill. Chill, i'm human, I have a brain. I accept your point. I do. You won the argument, but know I really hate seeing people mistreated, and i dont like being a part of PUGs or communities who will viciously target an individual(s) like dogs because of poor performance, whether it be me or another. If that is the result of what happens as a result of parsers, then I would unsubb from the game.

EDIT: I will say one thing before I go. Having sufficient DPS is a small amount of the actual fight alone and you will still have many wipes due to the mechanics of it. If parsers dont work, what then? How do you put into a number dodging skills?

[Kuroyasha]

You don't need to spout off numbers to tell someone they aren't doing enough DPS...you know that right?

U need it to mathematically show them that it's them so they don't go spewing off bs like "it's the brd/mch" "it cant be me" "i know how to play my class" "how come it cant be you?"

[bbkkristian]

Honestly, "stop being shit at the game", while abrasive, is a pretty good solution. It's kinda hard for people to hassle you over your dps if your dps is solid.

I never said my bad experiences were from me performing poorly in this game. It was meant to show that the community isn't the nicest here and its actually pretty toxic, as the poster just shown himself.

[Meya]

I remember a time when players helped new players learn the game, learn to be better, didn't need a program to tell you how to play, you figured that out on your own and with help from the community. DPS parsers are fine, but they are not an automatic win. Still shouldn't get tunnel vision, or forget bad players are only bad because other's in the community are not pausing to help out their fellow gamer.

So if stop being shit at the game is a thing, then stop being shit at helping out your fellow players. We are all part of this community don't make this place a crap hole.

[bbkkristian]

Eh, i don't think anyone's going to exclude people who are actually willing to take advice from people telling them they're not dealing enough DPS.
Its the people who insist they're doing amazing dps when the numbers show otherwise and refuse to improve themselves who will get the short end of the stick.

And you know what? Im fine with that. If they don't improve themselves, thats their own problem.

I am more than happy to try and help out people who are having problems, but some people just can't be helped.

I agree. And I understand that some just cannot complete the content.

[Meya]

I agree. And I understand that some just cannot complete the content.

Well ya some poeple can't be taught but majority can, I for one never use a parser and never feel the effects of low dps, except on my summoner for some reason that stupid Fractal Continuum, sometimes it's easy most of the time the bosses troll to much. Maybe it's just me and summoner class, because I just can't bring full dps fast enough on those adds. I do make a better Ninja :P

Anyways I just hope this community doesn't turn into a craphole where only the most toxic of poeple go. We don't need that kind of gamer here.

[Malevicton]

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I'm all for helping people. I try to do so as much as I can. And it's true that it would be better if more people were helpful. However, at the end of the day, the burden is on each individual to improve their own gameplay; they have to actually give a shit first. I can't count how many times I've given basic advice in a neutral tone only to run into "It'll be fine, we didn't wipe" "Uhh I know my main is BiS (spoiler: their main is not BiS)" "I don't tell you how to play!" etc etc. There are a lot of people who play this game who just genuinely don't seem to care that they're playing terribly, and take any sort of advice or criticism the same way they'd take a kick to the balls.

Edit: And let's be real for a minute here, if you're doing your basic rotation correctly but are having trouble optimizing then 99.9% of the people in this game are gonna be chill with you. The people who generally run into "elitists" harshing their buzz are the "but I'm an ice mage" type players who can't even be bothered to read the tooltips, let alone put a few moments of critical thought into how their moves could best work together. Sure, even good players will run into jerks every now and then, but far less frequently. I forget the exact wording of the saying, but something along the lines of: "If you run into an asshole, then he was probably an asshole. If everyone you run into is an asshole, then you probably are." So if it's starting to look like the whole community is filled with assholes, maybe it's time to take a look at yourself and ask what you're really offering to the community, because you're probably not doing much better than all the other assholes.