Garuda Normal Needs a nerf

[Luvbunny]

Totally agree with the OP, I was in the US server, and could not clear this fight with duty finder groups, failed pretty much every single time and had to ask my FC members to help me. I was leveling an alts. The amount of "bad players" are astounding. I had pretty much every combination of "bad newbies babies" you can think of. A conjurer who has no idea, that you can become a WHM at level 30. Paladin who finally know that there are more quests past the level 30 job quest to unlock Paladin job. And don't even bother explaining mechanic, after wiping 6 times in a row, which is your general wipe numbers, most players would just vote abandon. It is that bad.... This is just not for Garuda, but pretty much the trend on level 60 content as well. Finally gave up and transfer to Japan server, had very little problem on my daily "beyond easy" content, much less frustration.

[justinjarjar]

At this point Duke is just playing devils advocate, he goes against the grain to troll people. I would ignore him at this point.

[Laerune]

I enjoyed Garuda normal and personaly found it very easy. I think the fight is at a good place. Players need to communicate more, instead of enter a duty and attack a mob, kill it and leave.

[StrejdaTom]

IMO the answer to bad players isn't making the content easier but teaching them to adapt to harder and harder content. That way bad players won't be frustrated and good players can actually get some challenge later. Problem is, that some content fails to graduate in difficulty.. even in Heavensward. We had Ravana, then harder Bismarck and then last fight that was easier than these 2 primal fights. It would be better if the fight was harder than Bis HM, so next content could be a bit harder again. That way people would always improve and won't be shocked when slightly harder content shows up. Now people probably expect something on par with last boss fight and if we get something harder, they will flip tables again.

[Luvbunny]

Bismark is your new Garuda, on US server, it's a guaranteed at least 2-5 wipes before your group knows how to beat it. I fail to understand, how is it, at level 57, most players still have no idea on how most of the fights in this game works.... You have over two years to practice... Unless most of these new players are doing nothing but FATE, and never once touch any of the endgame content "easy breezy dungeons" at level 50.

[Tizzy_Tormentor]

I got it in my roulette and people really do have trouble with relatively simple mechanics (stay behind pillar when she jumps, kill feathers) its even worse when its just one person messing up and wiping the party, despite repeated attempts to help them do it right. I'm one of those people who really does love helping new players, but sometimes it can be really frustrating when its the same person on the same mechanic.

Nerf not needed, a few wipes and some understanding will generally be enough to figure out all mechanics, just because the game is more centered around casual play doesn't mean mildly challenging fights with a few mechanics should be nerfed.

[Yumi_umi]

Bismark is your new Garuda, on US server, it's a guaranteed at least 2-5 wipes before your group knows how to beat it. I fail to understand, how is it, at level 57, most players still have no idea on how most of the fights in this game works.... You have over two years to practice... Unless most of these new players are doing nothing but FATE, and never once touch any of the endgame content "easy breezy dungeons" at level 50.

Ur making 2 wipes sound like its the worse thing tht can happen.
Ppl suck maybe cuz its their 1st time etc in bis hm. Also not everyone has played ffxiv since 2.0 release & beta so not everyone has 2 years exp of this game. Its also not their fault for joining late and doing content that was already nerfed before they could even try it.
I fail to understand how u can make all these exaggerations and not consider the other side of the coin.

But imo Stredjatom explains the true problem.

[Koenignovi]

So the OP is basically saying he doesn't want to take the time to help new people through a dungeon. Way to make yourself look like an self centered jerk with no patiences or empathy for those that need the help.

This isn't anything new... A lot of people just eat the 30min penalty to avoid having to help people through dungeons or trials. I suggest you do the same if you don't want to deal with it. Or... you can explain to the new folks what they need to do and expect that there might be bumps and hiccups.

Garuda MSQ fight, all though difficult for it's level, is a good challenge and welcome to many players who enjoy playing through game mechanics. There's no need to change it.

[Luvbunny]

Ur making 2 wipes sound like its the worse thing tht can happen.
Ppl suck maybe cuz its their 1st time etc in bis hm. Also not everyone has played ffxiv since 2.0 release & beta so not everyone has 2 years exp of this game. Its also not their fault for joining late and doing content that was already nerfed before they could even try it.
I fail to understand how u can make all these exaggerations and not consider the other side of the coin.

But imo Stredjatom explains the true problem.

If you are "casual" and taking your time to play the game, this means... you do take your time and do those endgame stuffs at 50. You probably run dungeons more often, leveling other class, and taking your time doing quests, levequests, etc... You are taking the time to read tool tips and how to do proper rotation. Taking the time to properly know what your class can do, and what their role is. I mean, what's the rush, might as well take the time and be good at your job/role. Heck, taking two months to enjoy 2.0-2.55 while practicing with all the contents the original game has, that's taking the time. Not all casuals are bad, some do take the time to enjoy everything the game has to offer and just taking their sweet ass time to practice.

What you just describe is the typical NA players, RUSH ASAP to 60, NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW!!! Don't even bother doing anything but grind FATEs, whatever FAST NOW NOW!!! Who cares about youtube video!! Reading?? OMG you are kidding right? I wanna smash buttons, READING?????? Are we playing a game of pew pew pew die? or we reading a novel here?? DONT TELL ME WHAT TO DO OK!!! I know where my buttons are, just push everything!! Who has time to read explanation on party chat, you guys are too damn slow, KILL the boss already. What are these marker again? Who cares, just kill it already? Cross class? what are you talking about? you mean I have to level other classes so I can play my job efficiently??? Fck that! Ain't nobody got time for dis shyait!!

FF14 is actually very good at baby sitting, every dungeons, guildhest, levequest, even some FATEs, trials, and end game dungeons teaches you some mechanics. Then they repeat those mechanics, with a twist. Then they remix those "newly revamped" mechanics and throw more AOEs so you can learn how to "dodge dodge dodge or DIE". But yeah, the majority of NA players are just, really really BAD beyond beliefs. Reading comprehension is lacking, and if you ever try to suggest, read wiki, watch youtube video, ok, fine, read party chat, then they will throw hissy fit, charge ASAP, and finally vote abandon.

[Kiara1]

These kinda posts make me sad.
We have 4 "raids" in this game that arr really hard. The rest is just way too easy.
Aaah im too mad at op to figure out what to type