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  1. #101
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    UltimateAoe2's Avatar
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    Final Spark
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    Balmung
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    Bard Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by SendohJin View Post
    those things do not stack. although adding BotD to DRG and positionals to NIN does make those jobs all more similar to each other as well which is also not good.


    So you're basically saying Huton and BotD doesn't matter.



    ok.

    Anyways:
    Please stop comparing Machinist and Black Mages to Bards.
    Machinist was created with GB in mind, and is more "easier" to use (assuming you know what to do with your Ammo/oGCDs).
    Black Mages is far more complex as you have to manage ENOCHAIN and utilizing Ley Lines to its maximum.

    Bards have a 1.5s cast. 1.46s assuming you're i180.
    Black Mages have around 2-4 second cast (assuming you still use Flare...I believe Fire/Blizzard IV is 3s?)


    So please. staph. .-.
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    Last edited by UltimateAoe2; 08-04-2015 at 01:58 AM.

  2. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by UltimateAoe2 View Post
    So you're basically saying Huton and BotD doesn't matter.



    ok.
    i didn't say they don't matter. keeping one buff timer up is not the same as keeping GL stacks and rebuilding the stacks back up to 3 if they fall off.

    the MNK mechanic is specifically building up stacks not just keeping the timer up.
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  3. #103
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    Natashio's Avatar
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    Character
    Natashi Tamaruo
    World
    Mateus
    Main Class
    Archer Lv 63
    Quote Originally Posted by SendohJin View Post
    i'm sure lots of people would like a Ranger type class from FFXI.

    how can FFXIV have 4 ranged DPS and not a single one of them plays like RNG?
    :P..if they added Ranger just as like in FFXI, you can't move anyways as moving canceled your bow/gun/crossbow attacks..and in FFXI moving while shooting is more punishing than there as the delay is much longer...

    Reason why I like this new way of playing bard. What they really screwed up on, was that they added not a single trait after level 48. I know this has been discussed already in some thread long buried. Man, did they blow this hard.. This would be a good trait to add if ever they decide to add any more..

    http://ffxiclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Rapid_Shot
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  4. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by UltimateAoe2 View Post
    Anyways:
    Please stop comparing Machinist and Black Mages to Bards.
    i'll stop when the game has a Ranged DPS that doesn't have Cast Times to do max DPS or someone can give a good reason why the game has no room for any other mechanic.
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  5. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by Natashio View Post
    :P..if they added Ranger just as like in FFXI, you can't move anyways as moving canceled your bow/gun/crossbow attacks..and in FFXI moving while shooting is more punishing than here as the delay is much longer...

    Reason why I like this new way of playing bard. What they really screwed up on, was that they added not a single trait after level 48. I know this has been discussed already in some thread long buried. Man, did they blow this hard.. This would be a good trait to add if ever they decide to add any more..

    http://ffxiclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Rapid_Shot
    i'm okay with not moving if i can keep weaving oGCDs like the 2.0 days. moving when you don't have to gets you or other people killed in any meaningful content anyway.
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  6. #106
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    SonTensei's Avatar
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    Character
    Son Tensei
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Archer Lv 60
    I played bard main i beat everyone on dps in alex farming on multiple occasions. beat a1s and was 3rd in dps on my group and i think im pretty good.
    but i quit bard. its no fun anymore. now im a healer.
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  7. #107
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    Nestama's Avatar
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    Nestama Eynfoetsyn
    World
    Lamia
    Main Class
    Samurai Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by SendohJin View Post
    i'll stop when the game has a Ranged DPS that doesn't have Cast Times to do max DPS or someone can give a good reason why the game has no room for any other mechanic.
    Just think of it as taking aim for the enemies weak spot and hitting your mark at all times. The only other two alternatives I can think of that allows you to have a 30% boost without cast bars is...
    • Wanderer's Minuet requires MP to remain active and takes more MP than Foe's Requium.
    • Wanderer's Minuet doesn't require MP, still gives you 30% damage buff, let's you use Empyrean Arrow, Iron Jaws and allows you to run around... but drops your accuracy massively.
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  8. #108
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowsun View Post
    Squenix messed up big time and are simply making every class too similar
    Bards complained that their damage was lower than the other DPS and wanted it to be increased. That obviously meant hindering their mobility. You obviously weren't going to get your DPS buffed while retaining the best survivability in the game.
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  9. #109
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    Mikhaill's Avatar
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    Xetsu Mitsuhara
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    Goblin
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 70

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilthas View Post
    Bards complained that their damage was lower than the other DPS and wanted it to be increased. That obviously meant hindering their mobility. You obviously weren't going to get your DPS buffed while retaining the best survivability in the game.
    Yeeep, that's exactly what happened. You ask for DMG? Sure! We'll remove your mobility, nyaha!
    Something had to go, and it wasn't going to be their supportive skills since it already hinders you anyways.
    Casting though seems lame. I'd feel more upset that I'd be playing another BLM named BOM [Bowmage.]
    I like the fast shooting of a BRD. Dunno how it is past 52.
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  10. #110
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    Duelle's Avatar
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    Duelle Urelle
    World
    Diabolos
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilthas View Post
    Bards complained that their damage was lower than the other DPS and wanted it to be increased. That obviously meant hindering their mobility. You obviously weren't going to get your DPS buffed while retaining the best survivability in the game.
    Likewise, you can't just throw in a stance at lv52 and call it done.
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    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line like good little casters.
    * Design ideas:
    Red Mage - COMPLETE (https://tinyurl.com/y6tsbnjh), Chemist - Second Pass (https://tinyurl.com/ssuog88), Thief - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/vdjpkoa), Rune Fencer - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/y3fomdp2)

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