I've permanently solved The Wanderer's Minuet problem...

[Noira]

Physical Ranged do less damage because they have mobility. Even with Gauss and WM on you still have more mobility then a damn blm. 1.5 (actually lower) is no where the same as a 3 second cast.
Yoshi just doesn't want physical range to do more dps than casters who do less dps than melee. End of story.

Bards still do pretty damn good dps, not sure what the whining is about anymore.

[Taban]

Physical Ranged do less damage because they have mobility. Even with Gauss and WM on you still have more mobility then a damn blm. 1.5 (actually lower) is no where the same as a 3 second cast.
Yoshi just doesn't want physical range to do more dps than casters who do less dps than melee. End of story.

Bards still do pretty damn good dps, not sure what the whining is about anymore.

So should we nerf smn down below brd and mch since they have more mobility? =p

[Noira]

That was a joke right ?

[Taban]

That was a joke right ?

Mostly. Smn does have more mobility than current bards do. But I don't seriously think we need to nerf them because of it.

[Vickii]

To be fair, that's pretty much what they're doing already. The jobs are slowly becoming more and more homogenized and losing their own identity in the process. When every job starts playing the same as every other job, there are things that need fixing. Just look at the healer changes during the 3.0 update if you want further evidence.

It's the way most MMO's go/went I'm afraid. Balancing so many jobs is an impossible task and the only ways to do it are a) make all jobs of a function the same or b) accept that there are ups and downs for each class and one patch may be good but another may be bad in comparison to others.

Sadly, the players don't accept that second point very well so devs tend to homogenize everything. Then the same player who complained that Bard had a bad patch, comes back to complain that bard feels exactly the same as Black Mage. It's a vicious cycle.

[Kazrah]

Sadly, the players don't accept that second point very well so devs tend to homogenize everything. Then the same player who complained that Bard had a bad patch, comes back to complain that bard feels exactly the same as Black Mage. It's a vicious cycle.

That's exactly why bard is in the state it's in: homogenization due to the "OMG MOAR DEEPS" mentality that players have gotten.

Also, instead of trying to cram more damage skills in, devs could instead have solved this with more support abilities and use the same line about support abilities to compensate for damage output that they used for why astrologian does less damage than the other two healing jobs.

[Dragoon4life]

Just want the Mobility back. BRD/MCH excepted and expected doing less DPS but loved the Mobility. That was the Balance. BLM are stationary and BRD/MCH can constantly DPS while moving. As of right now the BRD/MCH are good except for the cast timers. I don't understand why there are players that like the cast timers.

[RyuDragnier]

Just want the Mobility back. BRD/MCH excepted and expected doing less DPS but loved the Mobility. That was the Balance. BLM are stationary and BRD/MCH can constantly DPS while moving. As of right now the BRD/MCH are good except for the cast timers. I don't understand why there are players that like the cast timers.

Because said players also play casters like BLM and SMN, so it's nice to see really fasts casts for once.

[SendohJin]

Because said players also play casters like BLM and SMN, so it's nice to see really fasts casts for once.

wouldn't it be nicer if there was 1 job with no cast timers at all, why do you need 2?

[Gilthas]

Deliverance builds on something WARs were already doing anyways (DPSing when not main tanking).

The same exact logic works for WM. WM builds on something BRDs were already doing anyways (DPSing).