I've permanently solved The Wanderer's Minuet problem...

[Shadowsun]

Or you could stop being Chicken Little (The sky is falling!) and actually adjust to the changes that were made to your job.

Or play Summoner, because its almost as free as the 2.x BRD playstyle.

Seriously, Wanderer's Minuet and the equivalent of MCH are terrible design decisions just to force players to have to do boss mechanics exactly like a BLM.
I don't play BRD much, just leveling it to 60 and barely played it during 2.0 but I can easily understand how people don't want to play bow mage.

Squenix messed up big time and are simply making every class too similar

[Stormsoul]

Or play Summoner, because its almost as free as the 2.x BRD playstyle.

Seriously, Wanderer's Minuet and the equivalent of MCH are terrible design decisions just to force players to have to do boss mechanics exactly like a BLM.
I don't play BRD much, just leveling it to 60 and barely played it during 2.0 but I can easily understand how people don't want to play bow mage.

Squenix messed up big time and are simply making every class too similar

sorry, but have you played a BLM? their cast times are almost twice as long, the loss of mobility from GB/WM is next to nothing compared to what BLMs have to deal with. heck, a lot of the time in gauss barrel you have full mobility anyway due to procs/ammo. you can leave GB/WM on 98% of the time with no problems whatsoever due to how lenient they are.

it isn't even comparable to BLM's lack of mobility, when on top of long cast times they have enochian, punishing movement even further.

[Gilthas]

Squenix messed up big time and are simply making every class too similar

Bards complained that their damage was lower than the other DPS and wanted it to be increased. That obviously meant hindering their mobility. You obviously weren't going to get your DPS buffed while retaining the best survivability in the game.

[Duelle]

Bards complained that their damage was lower than the other DPS and wanted it to be increased. That obviously meant hindering their mobility. You obviously weren't going to get your DPS buffed while retaining the best survivability in the game.

Likewise, you can't just throw in a stance at lv52 and call it done.

[Gilraen]

Likewise, you can't just throw in a stance at lv52 and call it done.

And they didn't. They gave us three new attacks that only work while in said stance. But, as a reminder of what you really should be concerned about, they also gave us a new support song.

[Duelle]

And they didn't. They gave us three new attacks that only work while in said stance. But, as a reminder of what you really should be concerned about, they also gave us a new support song.

You're missing the point.

Goal: Do something to BRD to give it more DPS.

Option A: Add a secondary system that is cohesive with the job's gameplay
Option B: Change BRD gameplay at the base, reducing mobility by giving cast times to some abilities, retune or redesign the procs to work with the new gameplay
Option C: Throw in a stance late in the job's lifespan that gives almost everything a cast time and gate two new skills behind it to force BRDs to use it

The developers chose C.

You mean like they did with WAR at 30 with Defiance and at 52 with Deliverance? We only get special abilities for each stance later too.

Deliverance builds on something WARs were already doing anyways (DPSing when not main tanking).

Now, if you want to Deliverance to switch places with Unchained or Steel Cyclone for the sake of getting it earlier in the leveling processing, that's fine too, I guess.

[Gilthas]

Deliverance builds on something WARs were already doing anyways (DPSing when not main tanking).

The same exact logic works for WM. WM builds on something BRDs were already doing anyways (DPSing).

[RiceisNice]

The same exact logic works for WM. WM builds on something BRDs were already doing anyways (DPSing).

But it does not take into consideration with how they played in 2.0. The cast times do not interact well with bard's animation and procs that come off, and especially with bloodletter reset. It'd be a better example if you could not build abandon stacks in deliverance by using 2.0 abilities or buffs.

WM increases the damage of the old weapon skills, don't pretend that it doesn't do anything to the old abilities.

Post limit.

You're missing my point completely. You can't catch straighter shot procs with WM active unless you're purposely delaying your weapon skill. Your bloodletter resets will cause disconnects in gameplay because you either end up delaying your weaponskill or delaying your bloodletter (and risk losing another reset). The entire implementation of WM does not take into mind that Bard's 2.0 playstyle was not designed with cast times in mind, which is why it causes so many problems from a gameflow perspective for some bard mains.

It's not the case for machinist because they were built from the ground up in mind, and were given shorter animations with the 1.5 cast time in mind (so you would not have procs occuring after a GCD) and they don't have oGCD resets that can cause skill clipping and disconnects in skill execution.

[Gilthas]

Likewise, you can't just throw in a stance at lv52 and call it done.

You mean like they did with WAR at 30 with Defiance and at 52 with Deliverance? We only get special abilities for each stance later too.

Wanderer's Minuet only has a problem if Bard DPS isn't noticeably increased. If it is, then your mobility is the price to pay for increased DPS.

We all know that what Bards really wanted was to have equivalent DPS as the other classes while keeping their mobility (and higher survivability) intact. Anyone that cares about class balance knew that could never happen.

[Taban]

You mean like they did with WAR at 30 with Defiance and at 52 with Deliverance? We only get special abilities for each stance later too.

Wanderer's Minuet only has a problem if Bard DPS isn't noticeably increased. If it is, then your mobility is the price to pay for increased DPS.

We all know that what Bards really wanted was to have equivalent DPS as the other classes while keeping their mobility (and higher survivability) intact. Anyone that cares about class balance knew that could never happen.

It's "notably increased" to be about equal to what bard dps was in 2.0