How Many Astro Plan to Purchase Eso Weapon Tuesday?

[Guilty_King]

Glad your definition and my definition of fixed are different. Astrologian healing wise is fixed.

Healing-wise on AST is not fixed, why can WHM and SCH spam heals all day and still outlast AST on mana?

There is a big reason not many people truly want an AST in their group. You can keep wanting to believe AST is fine, but it isn't.

[Zaj_Quilos]

I am looking forward to the changes they make to AST although I can play it perfectly fine, enjoy it very much and rarely have issues.

[Benedictrine]

tbh I don't see eso weapon being a valid tome purchase as a healer unless you have access to a4 upgrade item. Weapon dmg shouldn't outweigh the gains on other pieces of gear. and if it's the same case with AST as it is for sch/whm, secondaries on eso are awful in comparison to hive.

[Leiloni]

tbh I don't see eso weapon being a valid tome purchase as a healer unless you have access to a4 upgrade item. Weapon dmg shouldn't outweigh the gains on other pieces of gear. and if it's the same case with AST as it is for sch/whm, secondaries on eso are awful in comparison to hive.

Stats for the ESO weapons: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...m/8009d6f8df4/

Vitality +94 Mind +101 Piety +70 Spell Speed +92

Upgraded ESO is just better stats: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...m/8383c0dc743/
Vitality +103 Mind +109 Piety +80 Spell Speed +102

Edit: Also for comparison's sake, the 210 Savage Alex weapon:
Vitality +103 Mind +109 Piety +115 Determination +68 (Det??)

Compared to the Hive and upgraded Law:

Vitality +85 Mind +92 Critical Hit Rate +83 Spell Speed +58 (Hive)
Vitality +75 Mind +84 Piety +69 Critical Hit Rate +52 (180 law)



So it just depends on what you value more, Crit or Spell Speed. Has anyone figured out yet what is best? I suspect the Piety will be nice though. I currently have the upgraded Law weapon and just now noticed that the Hive weapon doesn't actually have any Piety. I don't have mana issues and I wonder if that's part of the reason why. Crit sounds nice as an idea but it's unreliable and I wonder how much you'll really see crits if you stack crit? On the other hand it's bigger heals for free, and while making our fast heals faster sounds nice, it will use up more mana (but we do have a bit of Piety on there). Dunno which stats are best, we'll have to see I guess.

[Staris]

tbh I don't see eso weapon being a valid tome purchase as a healer unless you have access to a4 upgrade item. Weapon dmg shouldn't outweigh the gains on other pieces of gear. and if it's the same case with AST as it is for sch/whm, secondaries on eso are awful in comparison to hive.

I do believe you have not tested weapon damage at all.

Also crit bad for healing / det too low value
Piety / Spellspeed = BIS

[YuiSasaki]

I do believe you have not tested weapon damage at all.

Also crit bad for healing / det too low value
Piety / Spellspeed = BIS

O rly? Why is crit bad, and why is SS BiS? W/o reasons, testing, etc this is just a wild guess

Edit: Difference in Ravana Globe / Law Globe(+3 WPN-DMG) is at (w/o crits) :

Benefic 2: 89 more HP ...per heal
Benefic : 109 more HP...per heal

Did 20 Ben2 and 20Ben1 (with more values the number might even out a bit, yet i had to go ravana shortly after and had no time left :P)

[Parawill]

O rly? Why is crit bad, and why is SS BiS? W/o reasons, testing, etc this is just a wild guess

General consensus for crit is that it is generally just overheal, but I stack it anyways because when my DPS spells crit I have the nastiest grin on my face. It's not necessarily bad, it's just not as "stable" in comparison to DET/SS. DET < SS though... I'm not quite sure. Maybe it's because we can reach high levels of SS over the 520'ish or whatever it is when it comes to DET.

[Benedictrine]

@Staris
Piety will only ever be good if you're doing hard progression, it's not end game BiS. For now, with savage, yeah, sure. I also didn't make my statement as an AST main, if you'll note "if it's the same case...". Two weapon damage will not outweigh all of the stats (defense fromc hestpiece, even) you'd get from other pieces of gear unless two weapon dmg=upwards of 50-80 MND. I guess I should've said THE weapon damage, and not weapon damage as a general statement. It makes a difference for DPS classes because the outgoing velocity of.. well, DPS is a lot higher than your heals(HPS, I guess? This is a stupid term considering variables). I'd rather lose that 2 weapon dmg as sch and keep my hive stats vs that garbage combination. I don't need more PIE as a sch.

@leloni ".. unless you have access to a4 upgrade item."

[Farrell]

tbh I don't see eso weapon being a valid tome purchase as a healer unless you have access to a4 upgrade item. Weapon dmg shouldn't outweigh the gains on other pieces of gear. and if it's the same case with AST as it is for sch/whm, secondaries on eso are awful in comparison to hive.

Secondaries have a very small value atm, with the exception of crit on sch and brd. As a sch I had to chose between getting a ss pie weapon or a decent chest when i had a bad one, and it really just came down to the +15 mnd I got from the chest (with a very small defense buff) vs the +9 mnd from the weapon with 2 weapon damage. It really is just weapon damage vs primary stat.

[Kietsu]

As a general reminder, secondary stats got shot in the knees and have lower stat weights all across the board, for all classes.