SCH Pet Healing Potencies?

[Viviza]

Testing out some heals on Eos, I noticed that she seems to be healing me with Embrace at around 50% the strength of a Physick. However her Embrace spell has a listed potency value of 300, and Physick has a potency value of 400. So I would expect it to heal for 75% of a Physick. The Mend and Maim traits state that they apply to pet abilities.

On the other hand, Eos' Whispering Dawn spell tick for about a third of her Embrace. Given Whispering Dawn has 100 potency and Embrace has 300 potency, those match up to each other, but still doesn't match mine.

Do pets have an entirely different healing formula? Doing some quick healing samples, I would expect the tooltips to instead list Embrace as ~200 potency and Whispering Dawn at ~65 potency, rather than the 300 and 100 they're at right now.

Also queued underleveled Sastasha on a lark. Eos was using Embrace for ~250 potency relative to mine.

[Akyio]

It's true, some call it a sneaky nerf, some call it just a "bug", but embrace is now more like 200 potency than 300. in lv50 content it still is around 300, but in lv60 content embrace is about 200. It doesn't scale well and possibly it might be fixed sometime later in patch ?
Normally u can cast adlo on yourself(heals for 300) and see how much you heal, and then embrace yourself, to see if it matches. Embrace goes all the way down from lvl 50 to 60 gradually.

pre 3.0 i think fairy would account of 30-35% of total healing done by SCH at 50 content, at 60 content it looks like about 20%~.

[SovereignAegis]

Fairy without rouse heals for the same as my regen WITH divine seal.

Fairy with rouse heals more than my whm regency even with divine seal.

Actually this came as a surprise to me because I always thought the fairy healed more than WHM regeny. And I guess in a sense it does. But in raids it is obvious when a WHM should use regen on BOTH tanks at once (or A1 preys) in which case they essentially basically put a private EOS on anyone they put regenon.

Only real benefits to fairy opposed to HOT is that it is manaless and doesn't require a scholar dpsing to swap out of stances to reapply. But that's about it.

[Ghishlain]

Even though Embrace is listed at 300 Potency, the fairy has a different amount of MND, DET, and MD compared to their Scholar. The base stat lines on the fairy are generally lower than the Scholar so Embrace will always be weaker than Adlo despite both being 300 Potency. You'll also notice a dramatic dip in Fairy power from 51-60 compared to 1-50 when you're using the Fairy as this was an intentional design by S-E dev team upon Heavensward launch.

Q15. It feels as if the fairies are curing for less at level 60 than they were at level 50. Are stats affecting this?

A15. This is because the growth curve from level 1 to 50 and 51 to 60 has changed and has been loosened. Since playing at the level 60 cap will continue for some time, we took the increase of item level into consideration when balancing their healing output.

[Sidra]

Well yes - but this is a new thing. In 2.X it the fairy basically acted as if it casted from the caster. And I thought the statement you linked was BS when I first read it. It's not like it's weaker at 50 and than catches up when you are 60 and geared. It's forever weaker comparitively.

[Cynfael]

Well yes - but this is a new thing. In 2.X it the fairy basically acted as if it casted from the caster. And I thought the statement you linked was BS when I first read it. It's not like it's weaker at 50 and than catches up when you are 60 and geared. It's forever weaker comparitively.

While this may prove to be true, I think we have to consider that we aren't really "geared" yet, at least not compared to whatever ilvl target the dev team has in mind for the lifetime of the 3.x series.

We'll get a better idea as gear progression marches on. If the fairy's 300 potency Embrace heal continues to hover around 50% of the SCH's 400 potency Physick heal, then I guess that's what we're in for.

[Sidra]

Well not really sure how that's possible. Its not like any new gear at this point is going to stop helping physick while helping the Fairy to allow it to catch up. Just wish they'd call a spade a spade sometimes, it's not like SCH is in a bad place...just come out and say ya nerfed it.

[Kumori_Kumo]

What I'm curious about is if the same thing happened to Summoner. Do their pets also matter less, or is Scholar the only one who had this happen?

Also I mean. Nerfs never feel good, so I don't exactly like it, but god knows everyone else will come out of the wood work to say that we shouldn't even have the fairy or whatever so meh. If I don't like it I just won't play it.

[Sidra]

Yes - the same thing also happened to SMN. In 2.X Garuda's Windblade (100 potency) was stronger than a SMN casting 80 potency Ruin. Now, Ruin hits harder.

[Viviza]

Even though Embrace is listed at 300 Potency, the fairy has a different amount of MND, DET, and MD compared to their Scholar. The base stat lines on the fairy are generally lower than the Scholar so Embrace will always be weaker than Adlo despite both being 300 Potency. You'll also notice a dramatic dip in Fairy power from 51-60 compared to 1-50 when you're using the Fairy as this was an intentional design by S-E dev team upon Heavensward launch.

Ehhh.. but this is silly?

"Balancing their healing output" is already done with the potency system. If attack X is meant to scale at half the rate of attack Y, then attack X is given half the potency value of attack Y. There's no need for additional math to manipulate the scaling involved, unless there's a need to hide the notion that they were nerfed behind a now-meaningless number.