Things I'm starting to hate on AST

[Luvbunny]

Geomancer was one of my biggest loves. Yes please, yes please. If AST was anything like that I'd just... -faint-
I am starting to believe this may be the truth, which makes them brilliant.

Can you just imagine!! Having AST with "two big huge beneficial bubbles" that last 30 seconds each. One that can be placed near party members, and one that is near AST as aura. Maybe that would be their next "healer job" or a magic DPS who can buffs the party lol. I have to say FFXI does a much better job in creating jobs that are unique and special compared to this game. FFXI knows what "support" means, and what "versatile" means. Just look at Red Mage, Blue Mage, Ninja, Dancer, and Summoner.

[Farrell]

A scholar with 150-160 dps? Do you play scholar? Looks like a troll then.

Fortunately it's your own experience or rather your interpretation, lel.

I don't think he has much knowledge of other classes at all. He doesn't appear to have the hive weapon yet for his beloved job. I find it amazing so many people respond to his posts.

[WingsOfAzrael]

I don't think he has much knowledge of other classes at all. He doesn't appear to have the hive weapon yet for his beloved job. I find it amazing so many people respond to his posts.

truth is its like talking to a brick wall
1. it gets you nowhere
2. he doesn't back up his posts by facts
3. he posts stuff that isn't true

[Yumi_umi]

Considering pvp is an after thought and pve is actually story, that point is moot.

Ik its just a small thing BUT its still an optional thing that is still played by ppl. Just like raiding its not directly involved with MSQ.
Just saying it straight out doesn't have a niche is ignoring the rest of the content in the game. There r other stuff than just endgame raiding lmao.
Sure yoshi made ast underwhelming but thats what player feedback is for. So in time they will get better as ppl will give more feedback from their experiences from alex savage.

Cuz we alllll know every other content besides the hardest raid is moot and ffxiv should just have an endgame raid and nothing else.

[justinjarjar]

I snip .

But the fact that it has no PvP end game currently saying a class is a PvP class is a moot point currently. Not to mention that the game is balanced on PvE. It is like saying AST has a 5% luck bonus on triple triad, in the end all no one cares that much.

[Spoekes]

Ik its just a small thing BUT its still an optional thing that is still played by ppl. Just like raiding its not directly involved with MSQ.
Just saying it straight out doesn't have a niche is ignoring the rest of the content in the game. There r other stuff than just endgame raiding lmao.
Sure yoshi made ast underwhelming but thats what player feedback is for. So in time they will get better as ppl will give more feedback from their experiences from alex savage.

Cuz we alllll know every other content besides the hardest raid is moot and ffxiv should just have an endgame raid and nothing else.

Thats totally off topic and not the point when argueing PVE viability.
PVP has its own restrictions to seplls and abilities, even only-pvp abilities. PVP can therefore be balanced without altering PVE balance and vice versa.
It's very likely they alter Noct AB for PVP, because, tbh, it's broken there.

[VanEinstein]

This is the questions that most raid group has to answer:

1. Can we bring AST to replace our normal WHM + SCH? AST can replace WHM right? --- Uhm no, it heals worst than WHM, has worse MP recovery, slightly worse DPS, and will force the SCH to be able to DPS less....
2. Can we bring AST to replace our SCH? -- Uhm no, it cannot DPS better than SCH, the buffs are worse than what the fairy can do because it is random, it does not have MP recovery as good as SCH, and the shield are far worse than SCH....
3. Ok, can we bring AST to provide buffs as good as bard or machinist? --- Uhm HELL NO!, the job can't even heal proper compared to the other two jobs, let alone giving the party meaningful buffs. You want buffs, you bring Bard or Machinist.

All of this has been said before in a variety of posts that are far more detailed than anything we've said on these forums (though I've tried). Vlady just ignores facts to suit his version of reality in which Astrologian should receive no alterations because "it's fine". I was able to thoroughly point out that AST is not in fact competitive after he insisted it is. Somehow in his mind AST is an ideal choice to bring into progression from the get go, and that all the skill in the world makes it shoulder to shoulder with it's fellow healers.

Once more I'll point the way to this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ed_from_party/

It's simply a fact that WHM/SCH will outperform an AST/SCH or AST/WHM combination (assuming same-skill level players - the players themselves muddy the equation). I don't claim to know if perfect card RNG would result in a net gain above the presence of SCH dps in the WHM/SCH pairing, but RNG is unreliable, and a wise raid composition would rather take reliable and proven methods over a combination that only has a slim chance of netting them an equal benefit.

[TatoRazzino]

People are saying that a SCH buffs the party better than AST. To keep the discussion in the DPS output only, Selene does a 3% buff to Attack Speed. That is a reduction of less than 0.08 seconds on cast and recast timers. Considering a base of 2.5 to any attack skill (which is lowered by skill speed, which also reduces the efficiency of the Attack Speed buff), it means you get 2.42 instead of 2.5; in a minute, it's a difference of 24.8 casts per minute (with Selene) versus 24 casts - that if the buff stayed for a whole minute, but it lasts for 30 seconds, so the numbers are different. You get 12 casts without Selene for the 30s and 12.4 with Selene. You need like 1.5 minutes of the buff being on you (3 minutes) to get an extra cast, which is the whole purpose of getting a haste buff. In some fights, like A1 Savage, where DPS are all over the place, it's really hard to hit the whole party with it, so the extra DPS Selene adds to the party is really low.

[TatoRazzino]

With one draw of The Arrow and one Time Dilation, the 10% buff will stay for 30s, which is more than 3x what Selene can do to one player. Since not all jobs benefit from Selene equally (parse some DPS and see what Selene does to each of them) and since the deck has more than just attack speed going on, AST can outperform the fairy easily in the DPS increase aspect. Obviously, it's not going to add insane dps like some people are suggesting (seeing ASTs arguing that it would make DPS go over 400 is ridiculous) and I didn't say that ASTs can pull the same individual DPS than a SCH can; however, saying that SCH buffs the party better is just dumb. It's not even an issue of not knowing both jobs, it's just about sucking at math.

[Yurimi]

@TatoRazzino Now I can agree somewhat with this post but here are some things to remember, you are compairing single target Arrow to AoE Selene and while you can argue in some groups positionally it would be harder to apply this buff to multiples but lets use what I have experience with... A1 Savage. Timing it is actually done at set points (for the group I was participating with) in order to maximize its target hits (just after drops for example where the entire party is stacked or during the opening of adds when you bait the resin bombs before the lasers).


As far as burning up a jobs TP (NIN and MNK) this can be countered by using a spire and the arrow can actually heavily benefit the DRG in some cases where they have to interupt a rotation due to mechanics and cutting Blood of the Dragon close it can make or break their dps for a good chunk. I believe all cards do have their uses (Spear for example allowing greater oGCD on jobs heavy with them such as MCH NIN DRG or even tanks with defensive CD's) I will not argue that it has a varying use. HOWEVER its use does not stack up to its randomness of buffs where you draw spire at the start and already have an ERR from the ewer you got from the last draw or getting spear at the end of a fight when there is no need to reduce those... drawing a bole or spear just before a tank buster is satisfying but getting a spire before first jump is pretty mucha throw away. Its utility is not going to make up for its shortcomings and its HPS and effective heals require more support from your off healer which will slow the dps down from them.

The job can do content and it can clear content noone can argue that, the issue is with what it brings to the table other jobs can clear content better and easier with less risk. If people love the job thats great play it enjoy it just dont be upset when you are not included or asked to participate because a group doesnt want to take those risks. Dont complain that others feel the job is lacking because in a lot of cases its not the player its the job itself that is flawed and in need of adjustments in order to be competative.