Things I'm starting to hate on AST

[Yumi_umi]

@ luvbunny
Yes Ast DOES have a niche, just not a PvE niche lol
Its niche is in pvp as its spot heals and shields is amazing. They have ewer, bole, mana draw lol. Lots of sustain and if u stack vit ur unkillable. But thats just pvp lolll its niche in pve is like eh..... Its alright but could be better.
Gets the job done but the job can be done better by the other 2 healers .
SOooooo yes the AST does have a niche just not as a bleeding edge endgame raid healer.

[Luvbunny]

Yes Ast DOES have a niche, just not a PvE niche lol. SOooooo yes the AST does have a niche just not as a bleeding edge endgame raid healer.

LOL, why the job is even here then? I mean if it is positioned as a healer who can BUFFs, then those buffs need to be controllable and very good (look at Corsair and Geomancer in FFXI, if this team for FF14 has no inspiration, steal the idea from their other game, who does better at creating jobs who can buff the party but still do what their other role suppose to be, aka Geo + Corsair do DPS, good number. These two jobs DPS capabilities are not LOLd due to their buffing ability).

If they want to sell it as versatile healer (with some added bonus of buffing the party in meaningless way, icing on the cake, nice to have, but won't break the game), then make those two stances comparable to the WHM or SCH roles. Right now, either stance is WORSE than the other two healer jobs. And the buffs are just that, random, not great, all over the place, way too complicated. We don't need 6 buffs, 4 that we can control is more than plenty.

Honestly, if they make it so that the buffs are comparable and more in our control, then the less healing factor would not be so bad (for balance reasons). You can argue they may not be as good healer as the other two, but their buffs is way better than any of what WHM and SCH can bring to make up for the less healing potency.

[SovereignAegis]

LOL, why the job is even here then? I mean if it is positioned as a healer who can BUFFs, then those buffs need to be controllable and very good (look at Corsair and Geomancer in FFXI, if this team for FF14 has no inspiration, steal the idea from their other game, who does better at creating jobs who can buff the party but still do what their other role suppose to be, aka Geo + Corsair do DPS, good number).

Geomancer was one of my biggest loves.

Yes please, yes please. If AST was anything like that I'd just... -faint-

Perhaps Vlady is actually playing The Chessmaster here and defending AST against all reason specifically to provoke further detailed examination of how AST is disadvantaged compared to the two other healer Jobs, thus increasing negative feedback for SE to review, with the ultimate goal of encouraging others to advance the cause of AST improvement.

That's the most generous interpretation I can think of, anyway.

I am starting to believe this may be the truth, which makes them brilliant.

[Luvbunny]

Geomancer was one of my biggest loves. Yes please, yes please. If AST was anything like that I'd just... -faint-
I am starting to believe this may be the truth, which makes them brilliant.

Can you just imagine!! Having AST with "two big huge beneficial bubbles" that last 30 seconds each. One that can be placed near party members, and one that is near AST as aura. Maybe that would be their next "healer job" or a magic DPS who can buffs the party lol. I have to say FFXI does a much better job in creating jobs that are unique and special compared to this game. FFXI knows what "support" means, and what "versatile" means. Just look at Red Mage, Blue Mage, Ninja, Dancer, and Summoner.

[Assirra]

@ luvbunny
Yes Ast DOES have a niche, just not a PvE niche lol
Its niche is in pvp as its spot heals and shields is amazing. They have ewer, bole, mana draw lol. Lots of sustain and if u stack vit ur unkillable. But thats just pvp lolll its niche in pve is like eh..... Its alright but could be better.
Gets the job done but the job can be done better by the other 2 healers .
SOooooo yes the AST does have a niche just not as a bleeding edge endgame raid healer.

Considering pvp is an after thought and pve is actually story, that point is moot.

[justinjarjar]

What Assirra if they made PvP matter even remotely it owuld be cool but PvP is a joke of a mode and has no end game...... soo a PvP job is useless.

[Yumi_umi]

Considering pvp is an after thought and pve is actually story, that point is moot.

Ik its just a small thing BUT its still an optional thing that is still played by ppl. Just like raiding its not directly involved with MSQ.
Just saying it straight out doesn't have a niche is ignoring the rest of the content in the game. There r other stuff than just endgame raiding lmao.
Sure yoshi made ast underwhelming but thats what player feedback is for. So in time they will get better as ppl will give more feedback from their experiences from alex savage.

Cuz we alllll know every other content besides the hardest raid is moot and ffxiv should just have an endgame raid and nothing else.

[justinjarjar]

I snip .

But the fact that it has no PvP end game currently saying a class is a PvP class is a moot point currently. Not to mention that the game is balanced on PvE. It is like saying AST has a 5% luck bonus on triple triad, in the end all no one cares that much.

[Spoekes]

Ik its just a small thing BUT its still an optional thing that is still played by ppl. Just like raiding its not directly involved with MSQ.
Just saying it straight out doesn't have a niche is ignoring the rest of the content in the game. There r other stuff than just endgame raiding lmao.
Sure yoshi made ast underwhelming but thats what player feedback is for. So in time they will get better as ppl will give more feedback from their experiences from alex savage.

Cuz we alllll know every other content besides the hardest raid is moot and ffxiv should just have an endgame raid and nothing else.

Thats totally off topic and not the point when argueing PVE viability.
PVP has its own restrictions to seplls and abilities, even only-pvp abilities. PVP can therefore be balanced without altering PVE balance and vice versa.
It's very likely they alter Noct AB for PVP, because, tbh, it's broken there.

[TatoRazzino]

People are saying that a SCH buffs the party better than AST. To keep the discussion in the DPS output only, Selene does a 3% buff to Attack Speed. That is a reduction of less than 0.08 seconds on cast and recast timers. Considering a base of 2.5 to any attack skill (which is lowered by skill speed, which also reduces the efficiency of the Attack Speed buff), it means you get 2.42 instead of 2.5; in a minute, it's a difference of 24.8 casts per minute (with Selene) versus 24 casts - that if the buff stayed for a whole minute, but it lasts for 30 seconds, so the numbers are different. You get 12 casts without Selene for the 30s and 12.4 with Selene. You need like 1.5 minutes of the buff being on you (3 minutes) to get an extra cast, which is the whole purpose of getting a haste buff. In some fights, like A1 Savage, where DPS are all over the place, it's really hard to hit the whole party with it, so the extra DPS Selene adds to the party is really low.