The 4th Tank.

[SirTaint]

With how this game is set up all tanks are going to share 90% of their gear.

Beast master would be cool, but it would t be a pet job. Like another poster said the beast would be in your animation. It could be a very cool job. But at the end of the day all tanks are going to be very similar.

[OPneedNerfs]

I'm sorry to point this out, but your remarks annoyingly come out to me that you are jealous that the tank you picked does not have a "solidified spot" in raids based on baseless assumptions of things you read/heard somewhere in the game and/or forums. You come in with one line comments of "WARs too afraid to lose spot as OT" in every topic discussing how DRK or PLD need buffs. Before you start, I'm not even a level 60 WAR.

I'll point out that you don't seem to raid. Neither one of your characters even killed Bismarck Ex. Looking at your classes on both characters, you probably were a DRG main that decided to switch to DRK because it's a cool great sword using class. Grats, you can look like Cloud now.

Nice ad hominem, whatever helps you feel better I suppose. FYI, I've mained PLD and WAR for most of pre-3.0 content. If we're talking about 3.0 endgame, you're just as inexperienced so we're on pretty even ground. (see I can do it too)

Let me tell you this: None of the tanks like to play a tank and be stuck in the OT spot. Tanks like to be the center of attention, not pseudo DPS. The fact that WAR is stuck in the OT spot in those raids sucks much more than the fact that there are 2 tanks that bite at each other for the MT spot.

Really? If that's the case, why aren't we seeing more compositions without WARs? Heck, why even play WARs unless you like the way they are played endgame currently? *HINT* As Offtanks

PLD and DRK statics DO exist, they are out there and they function just as well as any WAR + DRK/PLD setup out there.

Really? They function JUST AS WELL? Do you have numbers to back that up? Because the way it is currently, across ALL servers, on ALL clears of Alex Savage, I'm seeing WARs. Kindly provide pics/links/proof that a DRK/PLD static has cleared Alex Savage in the same gear as the WAR/DRK or WAR/PLD statics on a close time range of about 6 days.

Please, do yourself and us a favor and say something that adds meaningfully to the topic (in here a suggestion of what a 4th tank would be in case you missed it) or don't type anything at all.

Please, do yourself a favor and not let your rage and personal feelings get in the way of deluding yourself to how any feedback or comments that do not agree with your point of view as "nonsense" and asking people to shut up. It just makes your side of the argument look weak.


Back on Topic:

With PLD and DRK already competing with a spot as MT in endgame environments, it is definitely natural to have a tank that is able to fit the OT role in endgame environments that are able to compete with WARs. Unless of course, everyone tank wants to be "the center of attention", and forget that it's a team game, then so be it.

[Tyrial]

And defiance stacks increase parry now also

Even with the addition of Raw Intuition and the change to Wrath bonus parry is still garbage. It doesn't work on magic attacks and aside from the force proc from RI, it's all RNG. STR no longer increases the amount you block/parry for (one of the only things parry had going for it).

At this point it's a stat that SE should probably just remove from the game completely unless they have some secret plan to actually make it worthwhile.

As far as I can tell, the main thing that it would have to follow, is the ability to wear plated armor, since SE likes keeping tanks in the same gear.

The armor would only need to have the stats of heavy armor, they can make it look however they please.

[Cooperal]

If it's another simple plate-wearing hit soaker, I think I'd start keeping hold of my sub money. Three is enough, if not too many. You can throw as many mechanics as you like at the next job that simply stands in the way, they aren't going to succeed in feeling different.

I'd like something like Dancer to be the next tank. Something that literally requires quick foot-work on the part of the player, not limited only to some fancy flips simulated by the press of a hotkey.

What they miss in defence, they make up for with evasion and a larger than average array of tricks to waste an enemies time. With the help of their own decoys, stuns, petrifies etc, they will be able to move around, use positionals that are unconventional for a tank, and then be back in front in time for the enemy to regain mobility.
Without a doubt, sequencing and timing will be a part of the dancers playstyle too. They should have a 1>2>3 GCD combo, defensive/enmity based ones, but on the condition that they sneak one of a choice of oGCD abilities between each GCD in that combo. Like a load of mini-dark arts.
Of course, some bosses hit hard as hell and it would not be viable to "trick" your way out of them. That's why they should have at least one equivalent to Shelltron (or FFXI ninja shadows) in reserve. Other ideas would be like the DRKs plunge but it puts you on the opposite side of the enemy (sort of syncs with the positional idea).

Their weapons of choice? A pair of fans of course! Give them an oriental vibe to slot comfortably into Doman lore.

Skill speed and accuracy may be key stats to them. While dexterity may function like a highly enhanced version of strengths damage mitigation (this would also make it easier to fit them into gear that already intended for Nin, Brd and Mch).

[Tila]

Even with the addition of Raw Intuition and the change to Wrath bonus parry is still garbage. It doesn't work on magic attacks and aside from the force proc from RI, it's all RNG. STR no longer increases the amount you block/parry for (one of the only things parry had going for it).

At this point it's a stat that SE should probably just remove from the game completely unless they have some secret plan to actually make it worthwhile.



The armor would only need to have the stats of heavy armor, they can make it look however they please.

My point was that tanks all share the same armor. They would need to make sets exclusively for the new tank if they make one that doesnt wear plate, which I think they dont wish to do.

[Freyyy]

Really? They function JUST AS WELL? Do you have numbers to back that up? Because the way it is currently, across ALL servers, on ALL clears of Alex Savage, I'm seeing WARs. Kindly provide pics/links/proof that a DRK/PLD static has cleared Alex Savage in the same gear as the WAR/DRK or WAR/PLD statics on a close time range of about 6 days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXACMfQpUqQ

And they don't even have a NIN for slashing debuff so their tank DPS is nerfed.

[Shurrikhan]

Never played Rift but I took a look at the Void Knight. It seems to have a separate resource that allows it to generate shields, with a chance to generate their resource from taking damage. Not a Wrath all-or-nothing resource, but something you technically would have to manage to stay alive.

Sounds interesting. Doesn't suit SAM, but may suit Mystic Knight.

It's not like FFXIV would be unable to make jobs new to the FF tradition, either, especially if we can blame it on, say, Ascians. (It is a Void Knight, after all...)

I'm all for this, though it is largely what I was expecting from DRK originally before they went the way of simple mana management alone. I'd love Mystic Knight, too, just not likely with the above mechanic(s); it has plenty that can be done with it on its own lore. Or any non-plate tank. Just, something, unique, please.

With how this game is set up all tanks are going to share 90% of their gear.
Beast master would be cool, but it would t be a pet job. Like another poster said the beast would be in your animation. It could be a very cool job. But at the end of the day all tanks are going to be very similar.

I'll see if I can design a rough that would convince you that Beastmaster / Tamer at least could be different. I'm not sure how well it could be pulled off, but conceptually at least, it should be able to be more a mixture of evasive tanking and tactical soaking than being a meat shield.

[OPneedNerfs]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXACMfQpUqQ

And they don't even have a NIN for slashing debuff so their tank DPS is nerfed.

Just.As.Well.

[Freyyy]

Just.As.Well.

You asked for a clear, not an optimized one. I gave you a clear. It doesn't have the same synergy yeah. But it works. Sufficiently enough to clear savage.

[Phoenicia]

Large pointless snip.

You haven't cleared ANY or the SCoB of FCoB. So I wouldn't call your maining WAR and PLD pre-3.0 relevant! Also just for the fact I killed Ravana Ex and Alexander normal, I am far more experienced than you whose experience ends at expert roulette. But let's not flaunt our e-peens at each other.

In every post I posted around the forums I packed my statements with numbers. Just because people aren't doing it it doesn't mean it can't be done. Perhaps they are too stupid to realize it can be done. DRK does EQUAL DPS as WAR, so no, WAR isn't the best OT. What WAR a does as OT, he can do as MT. Nothing special about WAR OT. PLD is a far better OT than it is MT. Check my other posts if you can't see why.

It is a team game, so you, whither you're a DRK or PLD, should man the f*** up, and let the person that does a better job do it. If you are a DRK and don't wanna level PLD, just let your WAR "partner" tank the physical fights and you OT that fight. Believe it or not? Raid-wide DPS increases.

I am not here to argue with you nor am raging, but your remarks are as obnoxious and annoying as they are immature.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXACMfQpUqQ

And they don't even have a NIN for slashing debuff so their tank DPS is nerfed.

Thank you.