how to get <lord's clogs> shoes and <yukata> armor?

[FoxyAreku]

Yeah, I got them on this character back in ARR. :/ When I came back after having quit for a bit, I decided to reroll, cause my friend had switched servers and I wanted a fresh start...

... Really annoyed to learn that SE expects me to pay freaking real money for that crap. Even Blizzard, in all their moneygrabbing, doesn't do that. This is a subscription MMO, SE, NOT a f2p game.

[edit] Actually, annoyance doesn't even begin to cover it. This is unacceptable.

Actually, blizzard does charge for optional items in their cash shop. They even integrated the cash shop into the game back during pandaria so you can buy pets and mounts without even having to tab out.

These items are OPTIONAL and have nothing to do with your fee to access the game servers.

[Naunet]

Actually, blizzard does charge for optional items in their cash shop. They even integrated the cash shop into the game back during pandaria so you can buy pets and mounts without even having to tab out.

These items are OPTIONAL and have nothing to do with your fee to access the game servers.

Oh for... we are not talking about random items. We're talking specifically about holiday items that have previously been available for gil and where a precedent was already set that holiday items from past years would continue to be available for gil.

I really don't get how anyone besides SE could defend this decision. You're literally trying to justify them removing things from the game and charging more real life money for them in a game where you already pay a subscription every month. Why would you want to defend such a thing? It's ridiculous.

[FoxyAreku]

Oh for... we are not talking about random items. We're talking specifically about holiday items that have previously been available for gil and where a precedent was already set that holiday items from past years would continue to be available for gil.

I really don't get how anyone besides SE could defend this decision. You're literally trying to justify them removing things from the game and charging more real life money for them in a game where you already pay a subscription every month. Why would you want to defend such a thing? It's ridiculous.

You said blizzard doesn't do this, when they do, had to correct you.

Honestly though, you should be happy SE at least gives you a way to get these things again. And for less than the price of a happy meal most of the time, no less. Holiday event items in WoW are gone forever if you didn't get them when they were originally available.

[Naunet]

You said blizzard doesn't do this, when they do, had to correct you.

Honestly though, you should be happy SE at least gives you a way to get these things again. And for less than the price of a happy meal most of the time, no less. Holiday event items in WoW are gone forever if you didn't get them when they were originally available.

No... they are not gone forever. I played WoW long enough to know that. You get chances year after year to obtain everything.

And you didn't correct me. I stated that Blizzard doesn't remove previously accessible items and throw them on a cash shop. You pointed out something completely unrelated. That is not correcting me. That's not understanding the argument being presented.

[Canadane]

I really don't get how anyone besides SE could defend this decision. You're literally trying to justify them removing things from the game and charging more real life money for them in a game where you already pay a subscription every month. Why would you want to defend such a thing? It's ridiculous.

Personally I'd rather them simply be unavailable to me if I missed the event. Not even purchasable via gil the next year.
The "me too" thing needs to go. We need more rare event items instead of things that everyone runs around using.

[Gunspec]

Personally I'd rather them simply be unavailable to me if I missed the event. Not even purchasable via gil the next year.
The "me too" thing needs to go. We need more rare event items instead of things that everyone runs around using.

It's not a "me too" thing. Celebrating holidays with fun outfits is an "everyone too" thing. Imagine going to a Halloween party, and everyone is wearing the same outfit, because that is the only one available that year.

And since the items ARE still available, it sucks to tell newer players that if they want an item they have to spend $5 on it. Wearing cool event items is basically advertising a stupidly priced mogstation. (Although that won't make me take off my ghost costume.)

Blizzard also has a really bad track record of putting the exact same stupid bullshit in their holiday events.

Very rarely updating them.

Hehe, I remember when they blew up the park in Stormwind during Cataclysm. That Christmas, Santa Claus's quest marker was at ground zero, and it took a week for them to notice it and patch Santa back to life. Not to mention that we received 2008 Commemorative beer steins three years in a row during Brewfest, and also received 8th Year WoW Anniversary rewards two years in a row.

But the anger at FFXIV is that they deliberately started Realm Reborn with having both new and old content for their events. New quests with new rewards, and old vendors with old rewards. Then, in their clumsy attempt to launch a paid item store, they stripped out the vendors and added the items as $3 and $5 paid services.

There were also people upset that the holiday events after mogstation launched seemed weaker than the previous year. Each holiday had multiple items in the promotional art that were not actual reward items (halloween striped leggings, christmas fur lined gloves, various minions). Also, a majority of the new rewards were housing items, which was salt in a wound for people who have been begging for more housing wards on crowded servers.

Interestingly, the behemoth heir from the 2014 Christmas promotional art is now in the game as a reward for the Ishgard hunts seals. That pretty much proves that the art was planning for event items that weren't ready yet. But they were ready to accept your credit card numbers for those old event items.

[Naunet]

It's not a "me too" thing. Celebrating holidays with fun outfits is an "everyone too" thing. Imagine going to a Halloween party, and everyone is wearing the same outfit, because that is the only one available that year.

And since the items ARE still available, it sucks to tell newer players that if they want an item they have to spend $5 on it. Wearing cool event items is basically advertising a stupidly priced mogstation. (Although that won't make me take off my ghost costume.)

It stings even more when you were around to get them back then, but you just have a new character who suddenly doesn't have access to any of that stuff. If they made event items account-bound, that would be one thing, but...

Boggles my mind that people just let SE slide on this crap. I wish I had an e-mail or address or something where I could write them a letter to express my displeasure.

[Felis]

It stings even more when you were around to get them back then, but you just have a new character who suddenly doesn't have access to any of that stuff. If they made event items account-bound, that would be one thing, but...

Boggles my mind that people just let SE slide on this crap. I wish I had an e-mail or address or something where I could write them a letter to express my displeasure.

Having more than 1 character is an option, but not the philosophy of this game.

[Kosmos992k]

It's not a "me too" thing. Celebrating holidays with fun outfits is an "everyone too" thing. Imagine going to a Halloween party, and everyone is wearing the same outfit, because that is the only one available that year.

You snooze, you lose. If you were not sub'd during the event, or did not bother with it, you can't get it. Complaining about that and demanding things be made available is a problem This is because when old event items are made available the following year for in-game curreny, it destorts the value of participating in the original event by devaluing the rewards from that event. Adding such items to the cash show for a non trivial amount ensures that they will only be obtained by players who really want them, and thus the rarity of the reward is maintained, as is the value of participating in seasonal events.

I think putting these things in the cash shop is a good compromise since it preserves the 'value' of the items in-game by not making the items trivial to get, and yet it still allows new players to get some of the more exclusive items from years gone by. The net result is income for SE through FFXIV which helps pay for things such as server upgrades, new data centers and future developement. How is this a problem for anyone?

Fundamentally, if you snooze, you lose.

Personally I'd rather them simply be unavailable to me if I missed the event. Not even purchasable via gil the next year.
The "me too" thing needs to go. We need more rare event items instead of things that everyone runs around using.

I agree with this, but I have a smallamount of sympathy for new players as well, so placing a selection of easonal reward items in the cash shop for non trivial prices seems like a good compromise. Clearly the price is right since it is high enough to cause many compalints, but not high enough to prevent those truly interested inan item from purchasing. It's almost a win-win for players who participate in the events becuase the rarity is mostly preserved and SE has additional income to supplement the subscription revenue and finance future expansion/development.