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  1. #21
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    2.0 did many things well (some wrong too, but lets be honest, the good really outweighed the bad) that made the game enjoyable, and a good game to play and support. It was fair for players/consumers, with fun being put as the first priority, and that's one reason as of why it was a success. Now... well... I don't agree with the direction that many things have been going, and what some people think about them. To each his own, I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naunet View Post
    I am fully aware Blizzard has a cash shop. I was pointing out specifically that they do not put old event items up on the cash shop. You can always obtain them in-game from year to year to year.

    No matter which way you cut it, this is absurd on SE's part. Old event items were previously obtainable with gil. They deliberately removed them and changed it so they could not be. That is NOT a good thing.
    The way Blizzard does it is MUCH MUCH worse. Certain items that are not from yearly events are simply 100% unobtainable, even if that gear has a unique look.

    In this expansion they flooded their cash shop with mounts that should CLEARLY be available in game. One example is the faerie dragon mount. You see NPCs using this mount all the time, and when you complete their faction's reputation grind you're rewarded with the ability to purchase......a reskinned wolf. To get the mount you have to shell out TWENTY DOLLARS.
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  3. #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrelaine View Post
    Blizzard does have a cash shop. They don't really have as many events with as many cosmetic items, either. Otherwise, they probably would do the same thing, and they do have cosmetic things in the shop. Last I left, they had those helms in there and planning to add more. Almost every MMO sub or no, has a cash shop now. While I don't really like it, everyone is essentially following the model Blizzard created.
    All of Blizzards cash shop items are exclusive to it. It's questionable whether or not they have more work put into them then other items, but atleast they never remove something from the game only to add it into the cash shop afterwards.


    Quote Originally Posted by basketofseals View Post
    The way Blizzard does it is MUCH MUCH worse. Certain items that are not from yearly events are simply 100% unobtainable, even if that gear has a unique look.

    In this expansion they flooded their cash shop with mounts that should CLEARLY be available in game. One example is the faerie dragon mount. You see NPCs using this mount all the time, and when you complete their faction's reputation grind you're rewarded with the ability to purchase......a reskinned wolf. To get the mount you have to shell out TWENTY DOLLARS.
    Yeah but lets be realistic here. They also have over 200 (300 at this point perhaps) different mounts. Not like a few more or less will matter to anyone.


    Besides, seasonal events are something to look forward to. If they just remove old rewards and put them into the cash shop what is there to look forward to?
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    Last edited by Aeyis; 08-02-2015 at 01:55 AM.

  4. #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by basketofseals View Post
    The way Blizzard does it is MUCH MUCH worse. Certain items that are not from yearly events are simply 100% unobtainable, even if that gear has a unique look.
    At least they didn't REMOVE ITEMS FROM THE GAME to put them on the cash shop, as SE has done.

    Gunspec explained this clearly. In 2.0 we could obtain both old items and new holiday items with gil. SE then decided to REMOVE all of those items from the game so that they could sell them on a cash shop. It's disgusting.
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  5. #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naunet View Post
    At least they didn't REMOVE ITEMS FROM THE GAME to put them on the cash shop, as SE has done.

    Gunspec explained this clearly. In 2.0 we could obtain both old items and new holiday items with gil. SE then decided to REMOVE all of those items from the game so that they could sell them on a cash shop. It's disgusting.
    I would argue they essentially did. Those mounts would clearly have been granted to the player in previous expansions. You see the NPCs ride them about all the time, and even flightpaths will set you on them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aeyis View Post
    Yeah but lets be realistic here. They also have over 200 (300 at this point perhaps) different mounts. Not like a few more or less will matter to anyone.
    It definitely DOES matter. Are you telling me that if all the mounts in this expansion were simply a recolored chocobo, and they released 5 unique models and plopped them on the cash shop, you wouldn't be upset?

    I can tell you the people that play WoW are QUITE upset. Mount collecting is pretty important to quite a few people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naunet View Post
    At least they didn't REMOVE ITEMS FROM THE GAME to put them on the cash shop, as SE has done.

    Gunspec explained this clearly. In 2.0 we could obtain both old items and new holiday items with gil. SE then decided to REMOVE all of those items from the game so that they could sell them on a cash shop. It's disgusting.
    I take that over never being available to begin with tbh.
    Some Blizzard mounts look amazing and you know from the very first picture you will NEVER get them unless you pay real life cash. It doesn't matter if you played from the very first alpha of the game or not.

    At least here you had a chance.
    You were there when the stuff was introduced during a holiday event? Great for you, have some cool looking gear/mount.
    You missed it because you didn't play? Well to bad. This is an evolving mmo, it's not going to wait for you.
    Want to have it no matter what? Fine but you are going to pay irl cash.

    Ideally it shouldn't even be in the cash shop. Rewarding your loyal costumers is a great thing and so weird when frowned upon (like in this very thread).
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    Quote Originally Posted by basketofseals View Post
    I would argue they essentially did. Those mounts would clearly have been granted to the player in previous expansions. You see the NPCs ride them about all the time, and even flightpaths will set you on them.
    They did not. Those mounts have NEVER been obtainable in-game. FFXIV, however, set a precedent back in 2.0 that past holiday gear would continue to be available through gil purchase.

    I don't play WoW and disagree with a lot of what Blizz has done to the game, but they have never outright removed content that was previously available in-game (and that had been part of a precedent of being obtainable in-game) and made it cash shop-exclusive. What SE has done is ridiculous.

    Quote Originally Posted by Assirra View Post
    You missed it because you didn't play? Well to bad. This is an evolving mmo, it's not going to wait for you.
    I missed the 1.0 events and was still able to buy the old holiday gear back in 2.0. Suddenly I am unable to do that on a new character because SE has decided to become a greedy jerk.

    This is the mindset of a F2P mmo, by the way. Last I checked, SE is still charging me month to month.
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    Last edited by Naunet; 08-02-2015 at 02:27 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Assirra View Post
    I take that over never being available to begin with tbh.
    Some Blizzard mounts look amazing and you know from the very first picture you will NEVER get them unless you pay real life cash. It doesn't matter if you played from the very first alpha of the game or not.

    At least here you had a chance.
    You were there when the stuff was introduced during a holiday event? Great for you, have some cool looking gear/mount.
    You missed it because you didn't play? Well to bad. This is an evolving mmo, it's not going to wait for you.
    Want to have it no matter what? Fine but you are going to pay irl cash.
    Before the cash shop you could obtain these items in-game with gil even if you didn't participate in said event the previous year. Most people thought that that was going to be a yearly thing (on each event), and it was cool, but nope, they removed said option. Do you really prefer the current option of paying real money over the previously existing gil one?
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    when do the summer festivals usually begin?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fantasyfinal View Post
    when do the summer festivals usually begin?
    Mid August to September.
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